POW Jessica was tortured

New York Daily News ^ | 4/03/02 | MAKI BECKER

[Viva Le Dissention]

Seriously, there are circumstances in which I feel torture is justified. It is certainly justified to get info that a nuclear device is planted in NY and the clock is ticking.

Besides my moral objection to such a technique, I doubt it would be very useful in such a situation. Torture can serve two purposes, basically: to punish/humiliate (the most popular historical use) and to extract information.

The former can be done by anyone and does not require a particularly skilled operator. If you are torturing simply for the sake of inflicting pain, it process can be as long or as short as you would like it, depending on how much pain the torturer can stand to inflict (as, unless the torturer is a sadist, often difficult to do).

The latter of the two methods is entirely different, though. Torture as a means to extract information is often an extremely lengthy process. Most people can withstand a great deal of physical pain, so torture used to extract information must be a combination of physical AND mental torture techniques--the only way to extract reliable information. Days or weeks certainly wouldn't be out of the question as far as a reasonable time limit here.

An interesting book on the subject, although to my knowledge, out of print, is "Physical Interrogation Techniques," by Richard Krousher.

[Ciexyz]

I have problems with a situation where a 19 year old female feels obligated to fight to the death.

But nobody died and made me God, so I guess we have to accept women being in combat.

[HairOfTheDog]

Seriously, there are circumstances in which I feel torture is justified. It is certainly justified to get info that a nuclear device is planted in NY and the clock is ticking.

Of course there are things we will do to get information from prisoners with information. Ultimately though, the information is won when their mind is overthrown... and outright causing of pain, or fear of pain, is only the least civilized way to achieve that. I would rather not put interrogators, and the varsity mind games they play, in the same category as sadistic abuse of an enemy out of hatred.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

Studies have shown that women are more tolerant of pain as a rule, and are more physically resilient than men. Men make up for that shortcoming through more physical strength.

[conservababeJen]

It's not too late for an extremely early medical abortion (using meds to interefere with implantation). She's been captive less than two weeks

2 weeks is too late. It's called the morning-after pill for a reason. At 2 weeks implantation has already happened and life has begun. I will never be able to understand how anyone who is pro-LIFE can say that it's ok to abort a baby from rape or incest. Life is life, a baby is a baby. I have compassion for the woman who's been raped. She's a victim, but that baby is too. 9 months is not a long time in the grand scheme of things. The babies of rape deserve life just as much as baby conceived by "accident". Why are they less worthy? There is no logical reason for a prolifer to be against abortion but allow exceptions. I know this is not a popular opinion, but it's pretty damned indisputable.

[SarahW]

No it's not too late. Her medical options would not be limited to progesterone.

Methotrexate or Mifepristone would both interfere with effective implantation.

[cyborg]

I wonder if the focus on rape is because many FReepers are also mommies and daddies? This is a nightmare for many parents. I am sure it has crossed her mother's mind (Lynch's mom I mean).

You are also right about agendas. It is easy to do that.

[conservababeJen]

Methotrexate or Mifepristone would both interfere with effective implantation.

Yeah they sure would if implantation hadn't already happened. Otherwise they simply cause an ABORTION...not a prevented pregnancy.

[5by5]

re: If he didn't want to fight, why did he join?

He claims that the Marines hid the fact that they kill people. Too dumb for words. The sad part is he's stealing the limelight from the real heroes.

[Chancellor Palpatine]

I have compassion for the woman who's been raped.

Hand wringing and expressions of compassion are cheap, when you aren't the one who lives it. All it takes is the movement of your mouth and the exhalation of hot air.

9 months is not a long time in the grand scheme of things.

Nine months is a very significant posrtion of a human life, especially when it is spent carrying the fetus of men who raped you. It represents a full percent of the entirety of most female lives when expressed actuarially, and when you consider that most people have scant recollection of childhood, it looms ever larger in the human psyche. Of course, that never, ever stopped a militant from wringing their hands and flopping their mouths.

Give the girl the space to make her own decisions - if shes pregnant and she aborts, it is none of your business. If she is pregnant and decides on her own to go to term, it is none of your business.

And that is all i'll say on THAT topic.

[conservababeJen]

Will carrying that baby to term make her any less raped?

[Sci Fi Guy]

All our Jessica are back to base!

One of the problems of having females so close to combat is that our enemies see it as a sign of weakness.

[SarahW]

They do interfere with implantation. They both prevent the placenta from infiltrating and multiplying.

At this very early stage it could prevent pregnancy before there is even an identifiable gestational sac.

BTW, ANY conception that doesn't result in a successful implantion is an abortion.

(FWIW, the most common cause of spontaneous abortion in the first trimester is a shallow or botched implantation.)

[Poohbah]

Yes, VEY SERIESLY!

[Texagirl4W]

Ann Coulter could take on that part, at least the part about shooting back.

[Poohbah]

And she's younger than the other candidate I've heard mentioned: Reba McEntire.

[2Jedismom]

Her brother, Gregory Jr., who is also in the Army, told CNN his sister sounded "disoriented" when she phoned home.

Very likely the pain meds they have her on...