Lynch Shot Iraqi Soldiers

The Washington Post ^ | April 3, 2003 | Susan Schmidt and Vernon Loeb

[FirstTomato]

I don't believe he actually served, that's the bottom line, honey.

Call it a good hunch. I've posted on a lot of forums and I just don't think this guy is who is says he is.

[Waywardson]

Heh-heh I love the way you put that. I was trying to express the same thing, but you put it much better, I was looking for the word moral relativism but it is late and I am tired. I definately agree with the consensus.

My pleasure. When I see the tired liberal line that says all ideas are equal, I will not let it pass.

All I have seen, is this newbie put down a soldier who has been where few have been and has lived to tell.

Teddy Roosevelt said it best: The critic's opinion counts for nothing. The only opinion that matters is the one the belongs to the one who was in the arena.

PFC Lynch was in the arena.

And there is nothing some vegetable can say to take that away.

[wardaddy]

OK.

[Waywardson]

I don't believe he actually served, that's the bottom line, honey. Call it a good hunch. I've posted on a lot of forums and I just don't think this guy is who is says he is.

The classic liberal attack. When you run out of substance, attack the credibility of your opponent with lies and slander.

[wardaddy]

Excuse me son but you're pushing an extremely "liberal" line advocating women in risk areas of the military and yet you have the gall to smear your adversary with the "L" word?

And now you call in the Bull Moose as validation?

Wow!

[ApesForEvolution]

Why should a very fortunate young lady be made out to be something she's not, only to be paraded around as an example to screw up little female skulls of mush to enlist and take part in an activity that they never should have been allowed to to begin with (military roles in/near combat)? I'm glad she was not executed like the rest of her troop, but beyond that, she did what she should have and she was tough enough to live. Glad she's alive, but won't glorify any of this beyond that.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I don't believe he actually served, that's the bottom line, honey.

"Honey"?

[ApesForEvolution]

Uh-oh...you aren't talking about women voting (and the slide into socialism that followed), are you? I guess trotting out the facts on that issue would blow up this whole board...

[FirstTomato]

Being brave is much different than being a hero. You see, I don't wish to get you good people upset for nothing. But I don't want to see the dilluting of the word "hero". If EVERYONE who is brave was a hero then what worth would the word have? Heros are important, and I think its wise to pick and choose who are to be called heroes.

Young Private Lynch was brave, in my opinion. But that doesn't mean she's a hero. She's merely a soul who got rescued by the true heroes.

To call her a hero diminishes what REAL heroes do. Just my humble opinion.

Have a good day, folks! I thoroughly enjoyed the posts (well, most of 'em). No personal offense taken (at least not for long) and I'll look forward to meeting you on other threads.

[Waywardson]

Excuse me son but you're pushing an extremely "liberal" line advocating women in risk areas of the military and yet you have the gall to smear your adversary with the "L" word?

Hey Daddy, no rush here to things unsaid. I have not advocated any liberal line: Women in combat or any other.

I have said that PFC Lynch is not deserving of the insulting, demeaning and biased remarks of any agenda.

[LonghornFreeper]

I usually go to great lengths to avoid insulting other posters, but from beginning to end your posts to this thread have shown you to be a pathetic, ignorant excuse for a person. Just to recap for those just joining the thread, and because I am going to bed, so far FirstTomato has said the following about a soldier who was wounded, but continued fighting, reportedly hitting several Iraqis, and was finally captured and most likely tortured, but is now home due to the bravery of her fellow soldiers and the American policy of leaving nobody behind:

-Jessica is a "little girl" who should "be home with her daddy".

-Jessica is a "helpless victim" (despite the fact that she returned fire).

-Jessica is at fault for the convoy being lost and ambushed. (Even though she is a private and the officer in charge should have known where they were going).

-Jessica's very presence in the military is damaging our country, and destroying our military's strength. (Tell this to the Medina and Baghdad divisions of the Republican Guard, and see how they feel about the weakness of our military).

I, for one, would be proud to know this girl, and hope and pray for her speedy recovery. In fact, even if it was discovered that this story is false, and she was actually wounded and captured without having the chance to fight back, I would still be proud of her for having to courage to risk her life for my freedom.

[wardaddy]

You don't like terms of endearment Ma'am?

I'm just playing with ya...seems like a lot of repressed conservative feminism is alive and well here tonight.

BTW,...G-d bless yer daddy...if he was there then he is/was an unequivocal hero. Horrible place.

[wardaddy]

This board is already blown up and the forum has been hijacked by the PC crowd.

I feel like a relic.

[wardaddy]

My only beef is about women in risk areas of the military and a few other side issues. If you aren't advocating that then I apologize for engaging you as such.

I have already stated my views on the young lady and I think they were complimentary.

[LonghornFreeper]

Showing respect for a wounded soldier is now considered PC? I guess you can call me PC then.

[Waywardson]

I usually go to great lengths to avoid insulting other posters, but from beginning to end your posts to this thread have shown you to be a pathetic, ignorant excuse for a person. Just to recap for those just joining the thread, and because I am going to bed, so far FirstTomato has said the following about a soldier who was wounded, but continued fighting, reportedly hitting several Iraqis, and was finally captured and most likely tortured, but is now home due to the bravery of her fellow soldiers and the American policy of leaving nobody behind: -Jessica is a "little girl" who should "be home with her daddy". -Jessica is a "helpless victim" (despite the fact that she returned fire). -Jessica is at fault for the convoy being lost and ambushed. (Even though she is a private and the officer in charge should have known where they were going). -Jessica's very presence in the military is damaging our country, and destroying our military's strength. (Tell this to the Medina and Baghdad divisions of the Republican Guard, and see how they feel about the weakness of our military). I, for one, would be proud to know this girl, and hope and pray for her speedy recovery. In fact, even if it was discovered that this story is false, and she was actually wounded and captured without having the chance to fight back, I would still be proud of her for having to courage to risk her life for my freedom.

Exactly. I read 500 posts and made no comment. But this tomatoe is obviously pushing some load of crap and I did what is expected of a soldier. I Shoot back.

PFC Lynch shot back.

And when tomatoe made her shots with the pen, at one who cannot shot back in this forum, and such low shots as you have shown all with this post, I defended a fellow soldier.

Nothing more.

No agenda.

And never anything less.

[FirstTomato]

I have had enough of your ignorance. You are not willing to be tolerant of any views other than your own, and I do believe that you are a liberal from DU.

Because no one who has read my posts would attack me so much except someone who believes in the DU politically correct garbage that Bill Clinton forced upon the military.

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I'm no feminist - far from it - but I only let very special people call me "honey", and I really don't like it when people use words like that to condescend to me.

Thank you for the kind words for my dad. Yes, he was there (Navy Corpsman) - and while he was my personal hero, I'm sure he didn't consider himself one at all. He probably saw too much when he was there to think of himself that way.

But thank you.

[DoughtyOne]

Special Edition Victory Series Production

The rescue of POW Private First Class Jessica Lynch has captured the attention of our nation.
This Victory Series submission is dedicated to her.

American POW Leaves Iraq After Rescue
inspiring details of the Private First Class Jessica Lynch story

By DOUG MELLGREN, Associated Press Writer

Excerpted to details about Private First Class Jessica Lynch, future recipient of the Purple Heart and possibly other medals as well.

NASIRIYAH, Iraq - An American flag folded across her chest, Pfc. Jessica Lynch left Iraq on a stretcher Wednesday April 2, 2003, after U.S. commandos, acting on a CIA tip, rescued the prisoner of war.

Lynch, a 19-year-old Army supply clerk, arrived at a U.S. air base in southwestern Germany on a C-17 transport plane late Wednesday for treatment at a U.S. military medical center.

"She's real spirited, she hasn't eaten in eight days and she's hungry," her father, Greg Lynch, said. "She wants some food."

U.S. officials in Kuwait said earlier she had two broken legs, a broken arm and at least one gunshot wound (see below for discrepancy).

Lynch was captured by the Iraqis more than a week ago after her maintenance unit made a wrong turn and was ambushed in Nasiriyah.

Following an intelligence tip about Lynch's whereabouts, U.S. special operations forces made their way behind Iraqi lines and seized Lynch from the Saddam Hospital under cover of darkness late Tuesday, American officials said.

The 507th was attacked March 23 during some of the earliest fighting in Nasiriyah, where Saddam's Fedayeen loyalists and other Iraqi fighters are said to have dressed as civilians and ambushed Americans.

Lynch fought fiercely and shot several enemy soldiers during the ambush. She fired her weapon after she had several gunshot wounds (see above for discrepancy) and kept firing until she ran out of ammunition, The Washington Post reported in Thursday's editions.

She watched several soldiers in her unit die and was stabbed when Iraqi forces closed in on her position, The Post quoted U.S. officials as saying.

An Iraqi pharmacist who works at Saddam Hospital told Britain's Sky television that he treated Lynch for leg injuries but that she was otherwise healthy. But he added, "every day I saw her crying about wanting to go home."

The pharmacist, who gave his name only as Imad, said Lynch knew the U.S. troops were on the other side of the Euphrates River and "she kept wondering if the American Army were coming to save her."

Kudos to Private First Class Jessica Lynch, for her courage under fire.

Home grown, from the heartland of the United States!

[Waywardson]

My only beef is about women in risk areas of the military and a few other side issues. If you aren't advocating that then I apologize for engaging you as such. I have already stated my views on the young lady and I think they were complimentary.

Daddy, your reputation preceeds you and I understand what you are saying well. No harm. Carry on!