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British snipers kill four Iraqis amid the rubble of Basra
The Daily Telegraph ^ | April 3, 2003 | Martin Bentham

Posted on 04/02/2003 3:48:18 PM PST by MadIvan

British snipers have begun operating inside Basra in a series of "harass and destroy" missions against Iraqi paramilitaries defending the city.


Royal Marine snipers from 3 Commando
At least four Iraqis have been shot dead so far by the snipers, who are hiding in disused buildings or among piles of rubble on the fringes of Basra to mount their attacks.

Dozens more Iraqis are thought to have been killed by artillery fire and bombs directed by the snipers, who are also acting as forward observers for coalition forces.

Major Ben Farrell, the commanding officer of 2 company of 1st Bn Irish Guards, which has a nine-man team of snipers working inside Basra, said the use of snipers, who could strike without warning, was designed to shatter the morale of the Fedayeen paramilitaries and other troops.

"Our snipers are working in pairs, infiltrating the enemy's territory, to give us very good observation of what is going on inside Basra and to shoot the enemy as well when the opportunity arises," he said.

"They don't kill huge numbers, but the psychological effect and the denial of freedom of movement of the enemy is vast. Our snipers have done really well. What they do is very brave."

The snipers enter Basra in Warrior armoured personnel carriers, jumping out at the back and running for cover while colleagues from the Irish Guards drive forward, delivering distracting fire during "in and out" raids into the margins of the city which British forces have carried out in recent days.

Sgt Eddie Waring, 34, one of the Irish Guards sniper team, described how he and his colleagues worked, and recounted two "kills".

"Sometimes it's a bit hairy when we are getting to our position when there are rounds and mortars coming down around us.

"It's also a bit scary going into the buildings because they haven't been cleared and we don't know if they have left any booby traps for us. But once we are here they don't know where we are and it feels OK. We can report back on what's going on - to call in air strikes or direct artillery - and if they are within range of our rifles we will shoot them.

"I've killed two people for definite. When I got the first guy they brought up a second, and when I shot him they didn't send any more.

"I shot somebody else, but he went over a wall so I couldn't see what had happened to him."

Sgt Waring said everyone was scared of a sniper because they did not know where he was - one sniper could hold back a whole regiment. "The only thing that can beat a sniper is another sniper," he said. The weapon they use is a British-made L96A1 rifle, which has a "first round kill" range of 900 yards. It can deliver "harassing" fire, but is powerful enough to scatter an enemy but not to kill over a further 200 yards. Each rifle is covered in tape painted in camouflage colours to minimise the chances of detection.

Lance Sergeant Ralph Irwin, another Irish Guards sniper, who is known as "the Bull" by his colleagues, said he was unfazed by either the danger, or the clinical nature of his work. "People might think we are a bit crazy, but we just think of it as our job," he said.

"There are mortars and rounds coming in, but other than that, it's just like an exercise.

"It's the first time I have been at war, but we've got a good weapon with a very accurate sight, so it's fine."

Amid the trauma and anxiety of combat, there is, however, time for humour. Outside the bombed-out room on the banks of the Shatt al-Basra waterway in which the snipers are based between missions into the city, is a sign put up after one operation was cancelled. "Guns for sale. Hardly ever used. One careful owner. See the snipers. Closing down special."

While the irony inevitably causes laughter among the snipers' Irish Guards colleagues, the reality of their work does sometimes hit home, as Major Farrell, the men's commander confirms.

"Most of them have never been in this situation before and in some cases the reality of what they are doing is quite shocking," he said.

"They don't take lightly the requirements for them to kill the enemy, but they do their job extremely well."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: basra; blair; bush; deadiraqisoldiers; embeddedreport; iraq; iraqifreedom; saddam; sniperattacks; uk; us; war
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To: Don'tMessWithTexas

21 posted on 04/02/2003 5:26:29 PM PST by PhilDragoo (Hitlery: das Butch von Buchenvald)
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To: MadIvan
I'd love to see the reaction on the fedeyeen's faces, learning after years of terrorizing civilians that they are no longer the hunter, but the hunted.
22 posted on 04/02/2003 5:32:15 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: MadIvan
The weapon they use is a British-made L96A1 rifle, which has a "first round kill" range of 900 yards. It can deliver "harassing" fire, but is powerful enough to scatter an enemy but not to kill over a further 200 yards.

Not to kill over a further 200 yards? What the heck does that mean? Anyone know what this guy is talking about?

23 posted on 04/02/2003 5:40:31 PM PST by Godebert
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To: colorado tanker
"I'd love to see the reaction on the fedeyeen's faces, learning after years of terrorizing civilians that they are no longer the hunter, but the hunted.

LOL! I was thinking the same thing!

24 posted on 04/02/2003 5:42:34 PM PST by the Deejay
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To: Godebert
The author is trying to say that between 900-1100 yds the rifle isn't guaranteed lethal. Based on some personal experience shooting .308 NATO I'd call that a VERY conservative estimate. Bordering silliness.
25 posted on 04/02/2003 5:47:19 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Godebert
I think they're saying there's not enough accuracy and/or power to guarantee a kill, just a hit, for the additional 200 yds.
26 posted on 04/02/2003 5:48:17 PM PST by E.Allen
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To: Billthedrill
I mean 7.62 NATO - same thing. Anyone who stands up at 1000 yds and expects a .308 to bounce off his mighty chest is...um...are there degrees of dead?

It may be they're considering body armor in the mix.

27 posted on 04/02/2003 5:49:30 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Kevin Curry
Kevin,

Thats a killer looking stock. I have a PSS 700 .308 with a Leopuold 10x illuminated scope...but I hate the stock...

What kind of stock is that?
28 posted on 04/02/2003 5:52:59 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: VOA
Very useful for the RAF Regiment as well, handy for keeping varmints of all sorts away from airfield perimeters.


29 posted on 04/02/2003 5:54:03 PM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: colorado tanker

Excellent

30 posted on 04/02/2003 5:54:06 PM PST by Rome2000
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To: Rome2000
LOL!
31 posted on 04/02/2003 5:54:56 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: antaresequity
Thats a killer looking stock. I have a PSS 700 .308 with a Leopuold 10x illuminated scope...but I hate the stock...

What kind of stock is that?

That's an Accuracy International stock, which consists of plastic *panels* surrounding a metal bedding block. And the good news, for you, is that they are available for the short-action version of the heavy-barrelled Remmy 700 action. [The bad news is that they're around $700 per.]

For a look at what a M700 in one looks like *click here* and check out the item in the second row down, righthand side.

-archy-/-

32 posted on 04/02/2003 6:03:55 PM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Godebert
I think the point is that the enemy would consider themselves to be under 'effective enemy fire', and react accordingly - e.g. take cover and slow their advance. I'd think kills are quite possible at this range. Considering that this is probably something like being fired at by a rifleman (with a standard SA-80 or M-16 rifle) from around 300m, the fact that no one knows where the rounds are coming from is a major complication for the enemy: hence, harassing fire.

(p.s. just heard on the radio - the Germans are now making positive noises about regime change in Bagdad)

33 posted on 04/02/2003 6:06:20 PM PST by New Zealander
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To: Godebert
Not to kill over a further 200 yards? What the heck does that mean? Anyone know what this guy is talking about?

The reference is to a high probability of a 90% probability of a certain hit at 900 meters, with a 75% likelihood 200 meters further out. One of the Royal Marines of the Falklands era managed repeat 1000-meter headshot hits with the previously used L42A1 Enfield sniper's rifle, but that was rather exceptional performance from a top shooter with a carefully-chosen rifle. It's also worth noting that the L96A1 has a quick-change barrel, and accordingly, it's unlikely that performance will be degraded by the use of rifles whose barrels are a bit beyond their best condition.

-archy-/-

34 posted on 04/02/2003 6:10:53 PM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: 45Auto
Another look at the L96 A1, suppressed version

Chambered in .308 (7.62 Nato), .300 Win Mag, or .338 Lapua Mag

And also in the .50 caliber AW-50 A.I. Rifle.

Just $9,849.00. Plus $15.00 shipping, F.O.B. Texas, of course!

-archy-/-

35 posted on 04/02/2003 6:16:28 PM PST by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: merak
Engle Ballistic Research does subsonic 308 thumper, 180 gr. warrented with MOA accuracy. Also .223.
36 posted on 04/02/2003 6:20:30 PM PST by 8mmMauser (Iraq and roll!)
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To: merak
There are sub-sonic .308 rounds. They are designed specifically for this use.
37 posted on 04/02/2003 6:29:31 PM PST by Kadric
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To: archy
archy....

Check out this Link

Great pics and great shot of a AI stock married with a customized PSS 700 hvy short...awsome...great shots of tactical gear...super high quality pics

Its a gear heads sight

38 posted on 04/02/2003 6:37:08 PM PST by antaresequity
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To: Billthedrill
As I recall the 7.62 NATO round is designed (per spec) to be able to penetrate a steel helmet at 1000 yds. (I can attest that it'll certainly go through the equivalent of a railroad tie or wooden phone pole at something less than that.)

Modern kevlar helmets and flak jackets may be a bit tougher than the old steel helmets, though.

39 posted on 04/02/2003 6:43:24 PM PST by algol
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To: archy
Bada bing, bada bam, bada BANG BANG BANG BANG.
Four shots... four kills.

Here's another sniper delivering "personal" messages to the ragheads.

40 posted on 04/02/2003 6:46:04 PM PST by Johnny Gage (We will not tire, We will not falter, We will not fail. - President George W. Bush)
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