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'We didn't fly to Baghdad to drink coffee' (former Soviet gens prepared Iraq army for war vs. U.S.)
Gazeta.ru ^ | 4/3/03 | Alexander Kornilov

Posted on 04/02/2003 3:34:19 PM PST by Heartlander2

Gazeta.Ru has obtained sensational evidence proving the involvement of a group of former Soviet generals in preparing the Iraqi army for war against the United States. The generals in question refused to discuss their degree of involvement, but admitted that just before the beginning of the US-led campaign against Iraq they received state awards from the Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein.

They are retired Soviet officers, Col.-Gen. Vladimir Achalov and Col.-Gen. Igor Maltsev. The former completed his military career as the Soviet deputy defence minister, after being the Air-Borne Troops commander and the first and last Soviet commander-in-chief of the rapid-reaction forces. The latter resigned from the post of the chief of the Main Staff of the Soviet Air Defence. In 1991 both generals backed the GKChP, (the State Committee for the State of Emergency, set up by a group of Gorbachev opponents with the goal of supplanting him and preventing the disintegration of the USSR) and were consequently dismissed from military service.

The photos show Achalov and Maltsev receiving awards from Iraqi Defence Minister Sultan Hashim Akhmed. Another photo commemorating the event features the Russian generals in the company of the head of the General Staff of the Iraqi Army Izzat Ibragim and his deputies. On the photo published above the Iraqi official is standing between Achalov and Maltsev.

According to our source who provided the photos, the ceremony was held ''less than 10 days before the beginning of the war'' in a building that was destroyed by US cruise missiles in the first few hours of air raids on Baghdad.

What exactly the Soviet generals received their awards for, our source would not say. He only specified that all the top defence officials of Iraq took part in the ceremony, which says a lot about the attitude of the Iraqis to the Russian delegation, and the significance of its visit. Our sources suggested that for further details we should contact the generals themselves.

Gazeta.Ru managed to get in touch with Vladislav Achalov. He confirmed that the photos provided to Gazeta.Ru were absolutely credible, but would not divulge any details as to why he had received his award. Here is an excerpt from a short telephone interview granted by Vladislav Achalov to Gazeta.Ru on March 31:

Vladislav Alexeyevich, is it true or not?

If [we] received [awards], then it is true.

And what for?

If there is an award, then there is a reason.

Is it true that this [ceremony] took place less than 10 days before the war started in Iraq?

Do you mean when we met with the defence minister?

Yes, with the minister. And Igor Maltsev was present, too.

Yes, it took place, I think, even less than 10 days before the war. On Wednesday we flew back, and a week later on Thursday the war began.

We have also established that the awards were conferred on behalf of Saddam Hussein, though for security reasons a meeting with the Iraqi leader was no longer possible at that time.

As to why the two Soviet generals received the top military awards of the Iraqi Republic on the eve of war, Vladislav Achalov would not say. He did remark, however, that he ''didn’t fly to Baghdad to drink coffee''.

Thus, one can only conjecture what role the Soviet generals have played in preparing the Iraqi army for the war. That their role was important is proved at least by the fact that both Achalov and Maltsev, as Gazeta.Ru has learnt, have visited Iraq no less than 20 times in the past 5-6 years.

Given such a schedule (3-4 trips a year), it is almost beyond doubt that Achalov and Maltsev, as well as, possibly, other retired Soviet and highly placed Russian military personnel were giving advice to Iraq as it prepared its army for imminent war.

And this assistance, judging by the first stage of the Iraqi war, has proved more than effective: despite the US-led coalition’s efforts, in 12 days of incessant air raids they have so far failed to destroy the Iraqi command, air defence system, and to take any large city.

Perhaps it is mere coincidence, but namely Igor Maltsev is rated as one of the best Russian experts in the sphere of operating air-defence systems, while Vladislav Achalov has extensive experience in the field of using rapid-reaction forces.

It is hard to predict the political fallout from the reports of Russian generals training Iraqis for war. On the one hand, both Achalov and Maltsev are retired generals and do not act on behalf of Russia’s official authorities. Their private trips to Baghdad do not violate any UN resolutions, or any other restrictions imposed on Iraq by the UN Security Council.

Yet, Russia’s indirect participation in the training of the Iraqi army to repulse the US-led invasion (in effect, Iraq is using the unique experience of Russia’s top, albeit retired officers) is likely to significantly complicate relations between Moscow and Washington. Besides, the Kremlin cannot say that it knew nothing of the services rendered by the former Soviet generals to the Iraqi military command, as such frequent trips to Baghdad could not remain unnoticed by the Russian security services.

Either they did remain unnoticed, which is doubtful, or it was decided to turn a blind eye to their trips.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: baghdaddefense; iraqifreedom; russia; warplan
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To: skeeter
ROTFLMAO!!!!
21 posted on 04/02/2003 4:05:52 PM PST by PlanoMike
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To: Heartlander2
Hope they told Saddamthat he had to rename BAGDAD

SADDAMOGRAD
22 posted on 04/02/2003 4:09:48 PM PST by uncbob ( building tomorrow)
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To: Heartlander2
I agree that these Russkies look like they haven't done a thing for Saddam, but this Achalov character really is a bad dude. Do a Google on him if you don't believe me. He's been in bed with creeps like Lebed, and he was part of the repression in the Baltics back in '91.
23 posted on 04/02/2003 4:14:15 PM PST by TheEditor
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To: Heartlander2
Were these Generals active during the Afghanistan defeat?
I'm not really impressed with the Russian Military, especially, the officers. Chechena regularily gives them a fit. I wouldn't lose much sleep over these morons involvement in Iraqi military training/advising.
24 posted on 04/02/2003 4:19:17 PM PST by rstevens
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To: doug from upland
Sheryl? Please, I'm having dinner!
26 posted on 04/02/2003 4:23:41 PM PST by Enduring Freedom (To smash the ugly face of Socialism is our mission)
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To: Heartlander2
If I were Saddam I'd get my money back
27 posted on 04/02/2003 4:29:29 PM PST by paul51
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To: ruready4eternity
Retired Gernerals just like the one's CNN has each nite,

Actually not quite the same. These were cashiered for attempting to overthrow their goverment. The Soviet government, not just the Russian one. Gorby wasn't "hard line" enough for them. These were Soviet Generals but where kicked out before they could becom Russian ones.

28 posted on 04/02/2003 4:39:49 PM PST by El Gato
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To: Heartlander2
Interesting?? Didn't the Russians get the poop beat out of them in Iraq ...?? If so ... should we really be concerned? I haven't seen any military strategy so far which seems alarming. Are the Russians saving some strategy for a last stand ...??
29 posted on 04/02/2003 5:01:57 PM PST by CyberAnt
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To: Heartlander2
The question is whether they scammed Saddam, or is there military assistance worthless?
30 posted on 04/02/2003 5:02:59 PM PST by gitmo ("The course of this conflict is not known, yet its outcome is certain." GWB)
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To: clintonh8r
Memo to Iraqi Military Planners: Next time, use the French and save yourselves a lot of grief.

This gets the award for the day! Thanks!

31 posted on 04/02/2003 5:45:55 PM PST by GingisK
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To: belmont_mark; Askel5
PING!
32 posted on 04/02/2003 5:47:12 PM PST by Orion78 (Free Tibet! Free Iraq! Just be sure to watch your back!)
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To: Orion78
yeah, Col.-Gen. Vladimir Achalov and Col.-Gen. Igor Maltsev those russian battle strategies really work...............don't they ? good thing you got the message loud & clear from that " actor " Ronald Reagan !
33 posted on 04/02/2003 6:18:51 PM PST by 1poedpatriot
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To: gitmo
yeah I was thinkin the other day I should have come up with a radio shack " GPS guided bomb scrambler ",.........could have made a nice buck from the iraqi's !
34 posted on 04/02/2003 6:22:04 PM PST by 1poedpatriot
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To: Heartlander2
I hope they weren't "delivering" something for a "last ditch" threat...like a suitcase nuke.
35 posted on 04/02/2003 6:23:28 PM PST by demsux
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To: 1poedpatriot
yeah, Col.-Gen. Vladimir Achalov and Col.-Gen. Igor Maltsev those russian battle strategies really work...............don't they?

The issue here is that the Ruskies are helping Iraq. It doesn't matter if their strategies are any good or not.

Good thing you got the message loud & clear from that " actor " Ronald Reagan!

I'm not sure what you are trying to say here. Perhaps you can elaborate.

36 posted on 04/02/2003 6:27:16 PM PST by Orion78 (Free Tibet! Free Iraq! Just be sure to watch your back!)
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To: demsux
not with this president and current military !
37 posted on 04/02/2003 6:27:56 PM PST by 1poedpatriot
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To: demsux
Vladamir: "We are going to destroy the United States with 20 Suitcase Nukes."

Iganov: "My God Vladamir! Where are we going to get 20 Suitcases?"

38 posted on 04/02/2003 6:29:26 PM PST by Orion78 (Free Tibet! Free Iraq! Just be sure to watch your back!)
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To: Heartlander2; belmont_mark; Askel5
. . . AND TATARSTAN. Thirty-six candidates running in five single-seat districts have been registered in Tatarstan, Segodnya reported on 4 November. The Communist Party of the Russian Federation and the Communists-Working Russia-For the Soviet Union worked together to register nominees in all five districts. Additionally, the hard-line Communist Sazhi Umalatova and the current chairman of the All-Russian Officers Assembly, Col. Gen. (ret.) Vladimir Achalov are running for seats in the republic. Yabloko and the Liberal Democratic Party of Russia (LDPR) have three candidates each. Tatarstan boycotted the 1993 elections. In the subsequent March 1994 by-elections, Russia's Choice and LDPR each won 22% of the party-list vote; the Communist got 9% of the vote. Three of the five single-mandate deputies elected in 1994 were from Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Shakhrai's Party of Russian Unity and Concord. -- Anna Paretskaya
39 posted on 04/02/2003 6:42:29 PM PST by Orion78 (Free Tibet! Free Iraq! Just be sure to watch your back!)
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To: 1poedpatriot; belmont_mark
Russia ( March 21, 1990)

This case occurred at night in Pereslavl-Zalesski's region, east of Moscow. It was reported by an article of the general of aviation Igor Maltsev, commander of the air Forces of defence, appeared in the newspaper Rabochaya Tribuna (" Stand of the Employees ") on April 19, 1990: " UFO on radars of air defence ". One mentioned there the sending combat aircraft in mission of interception of the discovered UFO. The general Maltsev, who made the synthesis of more than hundred visual observations collected by majors of unity, declared :

" I am not a specialist of the UFO, and so I can only connect among them the data and express my own hypothesis. According to the data collected by these witnesses, the UFO was a disc of a diameter from 100 to 200 meters. Two lights flashed on the sides... Furthermore, the object turned around its axis and made an evolution in shape of S at the same moment in the plans vertical and horizontal. Then the UFO remained still over the ground, then flew from a speed two - three times superior to that of the modern combat aircraft... Objects flew from heights going from 100 to 7000 m. The movement of the UFO was accompanied by no sort of noise and was characterized by a stunning maneuvrability. The UFO seemed completely deprived by slowness. In other words, they had one way or another mastered the gravity. At the moment, ground machines could not present such characteristics ".

40 posted on 04/02/2003 6:56:44 PM PST by Orion78 (Free Tibet! Free Iraq! Just be sure to watch your back!)
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