Bush Doctrine, R.I.P.

Worldnet Daily ^ | 4/2/2003 | Pat Buchanan

[nathanbedford]

I am fully in support of the Bush Doctrine and of this war. I have been consistently posting that we must deal with Iran and North Korea after Irak because they are near or in the nuclear club and both have shown they will have truck with terrorists.

But I would like to see or hear some reason, some logic and not just bluster why the Bush Doctrine has not reached its high water mark.

Show me some part of the world which will not be arrayed against us. Tell me that America will be willing to make war against a crazed nuclear North Korea without allies. Explain how we can win Europe over to face down the ayatollahs with us.

Explain how the American media will become shamed into silence and how the domocrat party will go into eclipse just because we have won an overwhelming victory in Irak. We won one 12 years ago and the Dems paid no price and the press learned no shame. Explain how Bush can muster the domestic support to carry his policy into the teeth of the world's opposition.

Believe it or not, I want to be convinced that I am wrong and I hope I am wrong but bluff and bluster just doesn't cut it.

[Rome2000]

Some people prefer to lie to themselves rather than admit they're wrong.

Buchanan is one of those people.

[gcruse]

Not to mention some things that aren't bishops. Must be more of Rummy's surprises.

[dighton]

Wait a minute, you can't go "borrowing" things like that.

Never mind how I got *my* tagline.

;-)

[Rocky]

Buchanan - Is that a French name? Are you sure? He sounds French.

[Poohbah]

Tell me that America will be willing to make war against a crazed nuclear North Korea without allies.

We will be willing to make war against a crazed nuclear North Korea without allies.

Explain how we can win Europe over to face down the ayatollahs with us.

Who says we need to?

[DoughtyOne]

To: DoughtyOne

Pat, on certain issues you're right on.

And he has hit the bullseye on this as well.

Pat couldn't connect with this issue if it was a golf ball sitting on his nose, and he was holding a golf club.

Don't forget, PJB maintains that "The Amen Corner" intends to bring about regime change in nations other than Iraq.

I must be in the Amen Corner, since I agree with Israel most of the time.  I must have misplaced my memo on Iraq.  Please forward a copy.

(Whose War?)

Was it Israel's trade center that got knocked out of the sky?  Was it Israel's center of military management that was attacked?  Please explain to me why this was Israel's war and not ours.  While you're at it perhaps you can explain away the al Qaeda camps north of Baghdad.

As it now stands, unless some of those nations attempt to intervene in a last ditch effort to save Saddam, Dubya will have his Iraqi victory, but not the justification for
expansion into Iran, Syria, or whereever.

And who said President Bush was intent on taking on Iran or Syria next?  As a matter of fact Iran has an internal problem that will see it's leadership changed pretty soon on it's own.  Iranians aren't any happier with their leadership than Iraqis were.  As for Syria, with Turkey on the North, a new western Iraq on the East, Israel and Jordan on the South, it's going to have some major problems.  I wouldn't be surprised to see it moderate on it's own, squealing all the way.

Even Kim Jong-Il gets a pass if he stops his sabre-rattling.

Kim Jong-Il is not going to get a free pass.  China has already cut off oil to them.  The US already has moved one aircraft carrier into the area, and long range bombers are already in range.

32 posted on 04/02/2003 4:20 PM PST by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)

Look Willie, I have no dogs in this fight other than my nation.  I didn't vote for Bush and did vote for Pat.  On this issue he's dead wrong.

[dighton]

Buchanan, meet Monbiot.

[nathanbedford]

You are still blusterin'

[Jhoffa_]

I think I see Marvin the martian in there....

[Mr. Thorne]

I think (and have long held the opinion) that you've hit the nail on the head.

That is, a democratic (or nearly so) Iraq, either for us, or, at least, NOT against us, might indeed change the balance of things.

This country will hold the second largest oil reserve in the world; suddenly, the LARGEST oil reserve might not have the political pull that it used to. Mayhap a delicate diplomat will reiterate the Bush Doctrine, and pose some questions about Wahhabiism, and the nationality of, what? three quarters of the 9/11 hijackers?

Oh, and along the way, several other notable countries might take note that if you piss us off enough, we WILL kill you.

Maybe, maybe not. But it should be interesting, regardless.

[wgeorge2001]

"The American people seem more mature than the talking heads about what will be needed to win. And if the United States can win this war in a month or six weeks – still possible given the steady attrition of the Republican Guard and the Baghdad regime under U.S. bombing, and the buildup of men and armor around Baghdad – what is being said now will not matter. Of greater concern is opinion in the Islamic world."

Why are those who oppose the President always so concerned about our enemies opinion. Perhaps they are more concerned about their own opinion?

[Jhoffa_]

Maybe, maybe not. But it should be interesting, regardless.

What's going to be more interesting, imo will be how much influence radical islam has in a post war Iraq?

People living in a democracy eventually wind up with either the government they want, or the government they deserve.

[Alas Babylon!]

Ok, he is mad about something, I got that.

Dude, it's Pat Buchanan. He's ALWAYS mad about something!

[Willie Green]

Please explain to me why this was Israel's war and not ours.

Let't get something straight up front, Ron.
I do NOT, and never have, claimed that this was "Israel's war".
Saddam is a malicious tyrant that needs to be taken out. Period.
IMHO, it should have been done a dozen years ago.

Nevertheless, I won't let that blind me to the complicating influence of the Israeli lobby in our foreign affairs. And I will not be browbeat into compliance by hordes of slanderous Holocaust pimps who smear anybody who dares disagree with them with the "antisemite" label. If anything, those political tactics have fully obliterated and alienated any support for Israel that I may have once had. IMHO, those who practice such tactics have adopted the spirit of Hitler and are a despicable stench on the memories of the actual Holocaust victims.

My position on the Arab/Israeli conflict is simple and straightforward: absolute strict neutrality. I don't want anything to do with an ethno-religious tribal feud that dates back for millenia. And I deeply resent anybody who attempts to draw me into it on one side or the other.

Furthermore, I am also resentful of an incompetent federal government that has for the last 30 years been totally derelict in its duty to peacefully develop our own Energy resources. IMHO, politicians on both sides of the aisle have myopicly jeopardized our National Security by maintaining our dependence on Mid-East oil, and thus continued entanglement with the Arab/Israeli feud.

[DoughtyOne]

I've got a meeting in three minutes so I'll have to respond to this a little later.

[sinkspur]

Of course now, two of those rogue states, Iran and Syria, will no longer have an open communication. They will have US air bases, checkpoints, and patrols in between them. Their borders will have US troops across them. For at least a couple of years we will not be needing to ask any Middle Eastern countries for permission to base anything.

No, it might be time for these rogue states to seriously consider laying low for awhile.

Your #7 is particularly good.

With the kind of awesome firepower the United States, Britain and Australia have shown, and with the commitment they've shown, these cretins ought to get the message.

And China gets the message too, which is why it will keep Kim in line.

[Mr. Thorne]

Yep.

I'm betting on GW, but that doesn't mean I'm right.

= /

[Catspaw]

Go, Pat, just go away.

[Jhoffa_]

That's just it...

I don't think he will have allot to say about it.

Eventually, we will leave and their own democratic form of government will take over.

If this goes bad, I think it's going to be because of the influence of radical islam. Religious influence is the only part of this that we can't control.

I hope they will be beholden to us for their freedom and will be grateful. But that still remains to be seen.