Bush Doctrine, R.I.P.

Worldnet Daily ^ | 4/2/2003 | Pat Buchanan

[UbIwerks]

David Frum was right about Pat. Pat is talking out of both sides of his mouth. Handwringing and defeatism even amid victory.

Btw... we may not even have to invade Iran; just encourage the younger populace (maybe with a little support) to jettison the Ayatollahs.

[Theyknow]

"Wow, this guys is talking on three or four fronts at the same time. Ok, he is mad about something, I got that."

He isn't mad, that really is the plan. Go to any search engine ard read about it by searching PNAC. If it could work it would be important to US security, but it is far reaching so it is hard to see how it will work. Who knows?

[TopQuark]

You are right. And even in Syria we may find some movement if we are truly victorious.

[Jhoffa_]

And what of the Bush Doctrine?

I have wondered about this one.. It seems you're either: for us, against us or you're Saudi Arabia.

[Poohbah]

Our policy re: Saudi Arabia: Say "nice doggie" to them while we discreetly look for a big rock.

[Jhoffa_]

Wonder how Iraqi oil will change the Saudi equasion and opec?

[KDD]

LOL...makes a nice tag line.

[TopQuark]

drop this sentence in to kick off the very last paragraph. If you anywise his other articles on this dimension, you'll find consistency; that is his writing style.

He first not only presents --- he tries to overwhelm you with factual detail in order to establish his credibility. This always includes irrelevant and unnecessary information: witness the long list of our airplanes. Like a child, he tries to impress adults: "Look, I read the sentence to the very end; I know ALL of our airplanes."

Having lulled the reader, he then plugs in, in one short sentence, an idea that requires a great deal of justification and refinement. When justifying crusades, for instance, he lists some detailed information, and then says, "It was a just war. So was WWII" --- and moves on! I'd think any parallels between crusades and WWII are far from obvious.

His knowledge of history is like an uncooked stew: plenty of ingredients that have not come together. And his writing style reveals him for what he is -- a cheap, hateful provocateur.

[Jhoffa_]

"If we go marching to Pyongyang..."

PS: I don't think you can do that to a determined nuclear power..

That looks like a non-starter to me.

[Reagan Man]

Pat Buchanan, R.I.P.

[Willie Green]

Pat, on certain issues you're right on.

And he has hit the bullseye on this as well.
Don't forget, PJB maintains that "The Amen Corner" intends to bring about regime change in nations other than Iraq. (Whose War?)
As it now stands, unless some of those nations attempt to intervene in a last ditch effort to save Saddam, Dubya will have his Iraqi victory, but not the justification for expansion into Iran, Syria, or whereever. Even Kim Jong-Il gets a pass if he stops his sabre-rattling.

[Wordsmith]

Thanks, I didn't know it was a habit of his. You're right, you can learn a lot about how someone thinks by analyzing their writing style.

[gitmo]

And what of the Bush Doctrine? If we had trouble finding allies when we were demanding that Saddam obey Security Council resolutions, where will we find them as that doctrine is applied to Iran and North Korea, which are under no U.N. resolutions?

What is the relationship between the Bush Doctrine, UN resolutions, and finding allies?? The Bush Doctrine said WE would wipe out terrorism.

[plusone]

You've got too many queens on that board!!!

[ex-snook]

Pat is usually right. Wonder if Pat is right that Bush will go wobbly on his Palestine State. Rice doesn't think so.
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US Says Roadmap 'Not Open for Negotiation' But Palestinians Still Skeptical Tuesday, April 01 2003 @ 09:49 PM GMT "They voiced their objections after Bush had said 'we will expect and welcome contributions from Israel and the Palestinians to this document.' .."   Secretary of State Colin Powell and National Security Adviser, Condoleezza Rice WASHINGTON (PMC) - Washington said the stalled Middle East peace process has “reached a hopeful moment,” and that the so-called “roadmap” to peace “is not open to negotiation,” but again without committing itself to timetables or implementation mechanisms, which kept Palestinians skeptical that such statements are merely “pain-relieving” political tactics. President George W. Bush’s national security adviser, Condoleezza Rice, said Monday its “roadmap” for setting up a Palestinian state by the end of 2005 “is not open to negotiation” and that Israel must “play its part” to pave the way. In a speech to the strongest pro-Israel lobby group in the USA, AIPAC, Rice also called on all Arab governments to recognize Israel’s right to exist and said democratic reforms within the Palestine National Authority (PNA) were “extremely important.” The blueprint, prepared jointly with the European Union, the United Nations and Russia, is designed to reopen negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians once Mahmoud Abbas is confirmed as the Palestinian prime minister. Rice’s call for a quick start, without attempts by either side to revise the terms of the “roadmap,” follows complaints by European and Arab governments that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon would try to arrange more favorable terms. They voiced their objections after Bush had said “we will expect and welcome contributions from Israel and the Palestinians to this document.” Secretary of State Colin Powell, and now Rice, in responding to questions at the 44th annual policy meeting of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, tried to discourage delay. Rice, who had asked that her remarks to thousands of members of the pro-Israel lobby be off-the-record to the news media, said of Israel and the Palestinians “we expect their comments; it is not a matter of renegotiation”. “It can be commented on by the parties,” Rice added. Rice said the US would present formally the international “roadmap” for an Israeli-Palestinian settlement once the new Palestinian PM, Mahmoud Abbas, was confirmed in office with his cabinet. Bush envisages two states, democratic Israel and democratic Palestine, living side by side in peace. Rice set out what she called the “ambitious agenda” of the US to bring about change in the Middle East, including a settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. She called on Palestinians to end what she termed “violence” against Israel, but she also noted that Israel “must end settlement activities” while progress was being made towards peace. Earlier, Powell was optimistic. “Today we have reached a hopeful moment, when progress may again be possible,” he said late Sunday in Washington. But he warned that the administration of President Bush would be watching “very carefully” how Abbas exercises his authority, “which is so important for Palestinian hopes for better future.” Powell reiterated the promise by Washington and London to unveil the “roadmap” for peace as soon as Abbas and his cabinet are confirmed. Moreover, Powell renewed his call for an end to expansion by Israeli settlers in the occupied Palestinian territory. “Settlement activity by Israel is inconsistent with President Bush's two-state vision,” he said. Sharon’s right-wing coalition includes two staunch pro-settlement parties, while many in his own Likud party also back them. However, America’s non-commitment to a date for the publication of the “roadmap” and to timetables for its implementation led Palestinian chief negotiator and cabinet minister Sa’eb Erekat to slam the repeated delay. “It seems the delay in the peace process is in marked contrast to the immediate and final decision for a war on Iraq. The decision for war was not delayed, but the decision for peace has been delayed six times in four months,” he said. Erekat said on Saturday that President Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair’s statements concerning the presentation of the US “roadmap” peace plan are just “pain relieving.” Meanwhile, former US Secretary of State James Baker said Sunday that the “roadmap” should be implemented without conditions and urged Washington to call a meeting for the parties to discuss it. He also said the US-led war on Iraq would give President Bush “a wonderful opportunity to build a legacy for himself...that is to create a stable situation in the Middle East and resolve the ongoing dispute between Arabs and Israelis.” “We need to say, 'This is the way to peace, here it is, ‘put it on the table, and then call a meeting of the parties,” he told ABC television. However, Powell sounded as if he was adopting an Israeli position. Israel, which has suggested more than 100 changes to the “roadmap”, refused to pass judgment on Abbas until he had proven his mettle by ending bloody attacks in Israel. Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom saw the move as a “positive step but on the other hand we have top see actions on the ground,” said ministry spokesman David Saranga. Shalom said Monday that the new Palestinian prime minister must take drastic measures against so-called radical groups in his first two months in office. If Abbas does not take “the right measures against terror when he comes to office in his first or second months, he won't be able to do it after it,” Shalom said after a meeting with US Secretary of State Colin Powell. “I think it will be very important for him and for the future of the region that he will take those measures against the Hamas, the Islamic Jihad and other terrorist organizations while he come to office,” he added. Shalom said that Israel has nonetheless agreed it would be “a positive step in the right direction” if Abbas takes the job.

[Poohbah]

Wonder how Iraqi oil will change the Saudi equasion and opec?

"Here, Sheikh Yamani, stand over here on this rug while we yank it out from under you."

[dvan]

We can be glad that he wasn't elected to the Presidency!

[tbpiper]

Is America prepared to pay the price of empire?

What in the hell is this guy talking about? Empire??

But demonstrations in Jordan, Egypt, Indonesia and Morocco have lately grown ominous.

All that proves is that their chanting skills have improved. Go ahead. Let them get all jazzed up, give em some guns, and let them in mass (pleeez!)do an Islamist Banzi charge. We've got the tools to fix it.

As the bombing of Baghdad grows more intense, and more bombs and missiles fall far from their targets and land on markets, malls, mosques, schools or hospitals, this is going to get worse.

Well, Mr. Ishouldabeenpresident, on what evidence do you base this stretch of your imagination? Jeez! Don't you have a chicken farm or something where you can shovel this sht?

[colorado tanker]

Good points. Pat seems really P.O.'d that the war is going so well for the coalition. So, he invents a straw man of a few mythical wars going bad to knock down.