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While we liberate Iraq, Europe is busy planning to enslave us
The Daily Telegraph ^
| April 3, 2003
| Ambrose Evans-Pritchard
Posted on 04/02/2003 3:13:48 PM PST by MadIvan
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To: Born to Conserve
Next thing you know, Britain will be attacked by Europe for trying to secede, their cities will be burnt, carpet baggers will arrive and strip Britons of all their wealth, and make it a hate crime to fly their flag. Who in Europe could take on the Brits? The ultra-wussy French? The pacifist Germans? They'll just decide to send inspectors to the UK. Britain can weather this for decades, while the Frogs and their sissy brethren sit back, eat cheese, drink wine, and sneer at them.
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posted on
04/02/2003 3:33:54 PM PST
by
MCH
To: MadIvan
"Resistance Is Futile! You Will Be Assimilated!" This is some scary stuff. Good luck to you and as a last resort you could always emigrate to Canadia.
:o)
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posted on
04/02/2003 3:35:25 PM PST
by
IoCaster
To: Maeve
Like many in my family, I believe in a new "Anglosphere" (UK, USA, Australia, EnZed,, Ireland, and other English speaking nations). Canada would be welcomed so long as they expel Quebec to sink on its own. Totally agree. Canada can take a hike unless the English speaking folks succeed and cut lose the French pukes that are running their country today.
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posted on
04/02/2003 3:35:45 PM PST
by
MCH
To: MadIvan
Our constitution isn't perfect, and the issue of secession was settled after an ocean of blood was spilled, but at least on paper the states have final say on any changes to be made to the basic structures via the 3/4 requirement for amendment.
I remember explaining to Europeans I knew in Belgium back in the early 90's that for us the whole "subsidiarity" question was (again, on paper) very succinctly covered by the provision that any powers not expressly given to the federal government are reserved to the States and people. The practice is quite different, of course, and that is the struggle conservatives here fight every day.
If Labour supports this "European constitution" wouldn't it likely provide the club the Conservatives need to beat them out of office? Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd be very surprised if the majority of Britons would buy into giving up their sovereignty to a genuinely federal EU dominated by Germany, France, and Belgium. If they would, I'd agree that you should start planning a move across the pond.
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posted on
04/02/2003 3:37:41 PM PST
by
katana
To: Poohbah
Perhaps Bush should pick up Robert Conquest's idea of a loose association of English-speaking nations--one that derives its stature from the long history of shared language and culture.First proposed by Benjamin Franklin in 1774 as a possible solution to the taxation/representation issue. The key difference is that Ben wanted the Parliament in London to function as the "Parliament of Empire" with MP's from Philadelphia, Boston and Bombay sitting next to the MP from Manchester.
I've always been fascinated by what would have happened had King George's ministers not been complete dolts.
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posted on
04/02/2003 3:38:39 PM PST
by
Publius
To: MadIvan
"Brussels takes charge of virtually all areas of national life. Unless the EU chooses to waive its primacy, Westminster will be prohibited from legislating in public health, social policy, transport, justice, agriculture, energy, economic and social cohesion, the environment, internal and external trade, and consumer protection."
That's a lot of power taken away from the people.
This seems ripe for a Euro dictator.
God help what's left of the good people in Europe.
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posted on
04/02/2003 3:40:07 PM PST
by
Weimdog
To: Publius
This would be (of necessity) even looser than that proposal.
But it does make for an interesting speculation.
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posted on
04/02/2003 3:40:58 PM PST
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
To: MCH
The North redefined war so it could beat the South. I'd expect Europe to do the same. They will do whatever uncivilized thing they feel like -- just like our dears Lincoln and Sherman.
To: MadIvan
Odd to think that this is exactly what Hitler wanted, only without a shot fired.
To: Born to Conserve
The difference is that, on Day One of the war, Britain could choose to lay waste to every major city in Europe...and still have enough firepower left to deal with the minor cities if it became necessary.
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posted on
04/02/2003 3:43:33 PM PST
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
To: MadIvan
Tarrant County, Texas welcomes you. We have jobs, space, low prices, cheap housing, cheap gas, no state income tax, and plenty of other Brits. We also have a professional football (soccer) team, with lots of good players (some ex-FA) for diversion. Please FreepMail if you're serious.
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posted on
04/02/2003 3:44:22 PM PST
by
B-Chan
(Ne messez pas avec le Texas)
To: MadIvan
I don't agree that Britain and the Eastern European states need an "out".
There is a better response to this Franco-German attempt to take over Europe:
NO!
Britain (England) has survived almost a thousand years as a sovereign nation. If Article 9 is agreed to, it will no longer be sovereign. I do not understand why anyone believes Britain must join the EU on France's terms (let's be honest, THEY are the driving force here), or be "alone" and, somehow, weak. Rubbish! If that's true, why isn't Switzerland hopelessly bankrupt?
Everyone makes fun of Thatcher now, but in her latest book she argued that Britain could negotiate as least as good terms of trade with the EU as, say, Norway. It is entirely possible that Britain would get a better deal outside the EU than they do now.
My guess is that Blair is gambling that he will have more influence over Eastern Europe than the French and can win the internal EU power struggle. Bad idea. If he's wrong, and France has effective control, then you might as well fly the Tricolour from Buckingham Palace.
I understand Germany's guilt over WWII and their willingness to, in effect, pay reparations to France (via agricultural subsidies to French farmers), but why does Britain feel that same need? Why should Britain kowtow to France? Britain liberated parts of France in 1944 and was victorious over France in 1814-15. When was the last French victory over Britain on British soil? Umm ... That's right, there aren't any.
Britain is not, and never should be, part of the Continent. "The wogs begin at Calais". For centuries, Britain's first principle of foreign policy was to oppose any power that attempted to dominate the continent. The EU, through its French, German, and Belgian puppet masters, is that power.
France and Germany have sabotaged the Doha round through their odious deal to keep agricultural subsidies unchanged through 2013. They intend to destroy world trade liberation in order to protect the 3% of the French population who farm. The EU is not an engine for economic growth and political liberty, but an artificial mega-state that will stifle economic growth and restrict personal liberty. Why any free nation, especially those nations that have only recently become free from Soviet tyranny, would want to join this disaster with its godawful proposed constitution is beyond me.
To: MadIvan
Well in the States we're old hands at Revolutions to secure our freedom. If Britian decides to revolt against the EU count us in... besides it'll give us an excuse to pummell the Frogs ;~)
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posted on
04/02/2003 3:51:02 PM PST
by
Leto
To: MadIvan
If we are dragged into this, I won't sit still - I will leave. You may want to get out before it becomes official. In other words, don't wait until it's too late.
History also dictates that people who are not in denial and 'get out while the gettin' is good' live to fight another day.
Everything I have heard about the new EU Constitution is beyond disturbing. I have been so caught up in war news I haven't yet read it, but I intend to tonight.
To: Poohbah
What makes you think the Tident submarines would have British crews when such decision to secede would be made?
The draft constitution clearly mentions federal primacy in metters of foreign relations and defense. Surely one of the first actions of the new government will be to consolidate control of all nuclear weapons at the highest levels.
They would have a much better chance of seceding by asking the U.S. for assistance and some sort of alliance, maybe even statehood.
To: Poodlebrain
What makes you think the Tident submarines would have British crews when such decision to secede would be made?Because the British will borrow a page from Andrew Jackson: "The EU has made a decision. Let them enforce that decision."
The draft constitution clearly mentions federal primacy in metters of foreign relations and defense. Surely one of the first actions of the new government will be to consolidate control of all nuclear weapons at the highest levels.
That's why this constitution will bomb.
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posted on
04/02/2003 3:59:36 PM PST
by
Poohbah
(Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of their women!)
To: MadIvan
Ivan...
I think the EU and UN are not the right alliance.
I think that you [Brits] and Us, and the emerging ex-Soviet block countries along with Spain, Japan...and others should form a completly new alliance...
The EU is not a good idea for you guys...you have everything to lose and nothing really to gain...or am I wrong?
To: MadIvan
Done deal. Mexico and Canada are as good as gone, the UK, Australia and Poland will replace them, for starters. Then I'll wake up.
One can hope.
To: MadIvan
"I will leave." Boy!
Do I have a rental for you!
To: MadIvan
This sounds far worse than anything anyone imagined out of the original idea of the Common Market.
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posted on
04/02/2003 4:08:11 PM PST
by
happygrl
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