Islamist: al-Qaida holds coalition troops

UPI ^ | 4/02/03

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

Spinning, spinning, and more spinning.

"One act al-Qaeda did was to set up al-Islam inside Iraq in our no-go zone for Saddam from which al-Islam has killed Iraqi citizens."

This is still not an act against Saddam, this is an act against the Kurds.

The reason that you can not list one single act that Bin Laden or al quaeda did against Saddam is because there are none.

[Destro]

So because al-Qaeda was unable to get at Iraq they were allied? Loopy logic.

Saddam's secret police put the fear of Allah into al-Qaeda. Saddam's favorite method for punishing Islamists are acid baths.

[Destro]

Experts doubt Iraq, al-Qaeda terror link

There's only one problem with the ties the White House alleges between Saddam and al-Qaeda. According to most experts on Iraq , those ties barely exist, if they exist at all.

"While there are contacts, have been contacts, there is no co-operation. There is no substantial, noteworthy relationship," said Daniel Benjamin, former terrorism adviser to the U.S. National Security Council.

Experts point out that Saddam, a secular Iraqi nationalist who refuses to rule by the Muslim religious law of Sharia, is a natural enemy of Osama bin Laden.

As for bin Laden, he has vowed to topple Arab leaders like Saddam who don't embrace Islamic fundamentalism.

"Osama bin Laden hates Saddam Hussein and considers him an infidel," said Bari Atwan, editor of the London-based Arabic newspaper Al Quds. He says bin Laden was even ready to help liberate Kuwait when it was invaded by Iraq in 1990.

Vincent Cannistraro, a former CIA chief of counter-terrrorism, says the Bush administration is putting fierce pressure on the CIA to produce evidence about the Iraq al-Qaeda link that it doesn't have.

"They are not getting it from the CIA because the CIA, to its credit, is telling it the way they see it, which is what they should be doing, describing the world as it is, not as policy-makers wish it to be, or hope it to be, but as it is."

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

"So because al-Qaeda was unable to get at Iraq they were allied? Loopy logic.

Saddam's secret police put the fear of Allah into al-Qaeda. Saddam's favorite method for punishing Islamists are acid baths."

I am not arguing whether or not there is a tie or how strong of a tie there may be between Saddam and Al Queada. I am asking, again, for 1 single example of a time when Al Queada did anything against Saddam. You have yet to answer that one question.

Now I have a second question and I want both of them answered. When and where did Saddam put the fear of Allah into Al Queada if Al Queada was never able to get into the Saddam controlled part of Iraq?

I don't think there is evidence of an answer to this question either. Again I say you are spinning theories, rather than providing any facts.

[Destro]

The reason al-Qaeda had set up on Afghanistan was that the Arab regimes had driven the Islamists out of their nations for the most part. Al-Qaeda is not all powerful-in fact it is a pitiful organization. 9/11 points out our security weakness not to al-Qaeda's strength. Your questions which you drafted to somehow prove a point that does not prove a thing points to your obvious weakness on the subject.

In the years since, opposition to secular regimes has remained central to Islamist thinking. What has changed is the radicals' strategy for toppling these governments. After decades in which jihadists were defeated by security services in their home countries, Osama bin Laden and his followers decided that they would attack the "far enemy," the United States, which they believe is the primary source of strength for the secularist regimes in the Arab world. If the United States withdrew its support, the "near enemy" that holds power in Muslim capitals would be unable to defend itself.

Seeking to blunt the Iraqi government's appeal for a jihad against coalition forces, Rumsfeld said that Saddam had proven himself to be an enemy of Muslim people. He said Saddam had terrorized Shiite Muslims in his own country. "Saddam Hussein has killed more Muslim people than perhaps any living person on the face of the Earth," Rumsfeld said.

[ApesForEvolution]

al-queerdanuts and iraq are in bed together against all Christians and Jews (and their friends) and to think otherwise is pure folly.

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

You can not answer one simple question and you think that shows my obvious weakness on the subject? Try again. Stop reading anything and everything that backs what you want to believe and start looking around you. You will find that there are a lot more sources and facts that show you are simply not thinking at all. There is not evidence to support your theory. There are only more theories that support your theory. The facts show all these theories to be complete and utter bunk.

[Destro]

The founder of the Iraqi Baathist party was an Iraqi Christian. Tariq Aziz is a Christian. The Iraqi Christians and the Muslims live side by side in tolerance found only in Syria-another Baathist strong hold. In contrast to Egypt where they are killed in porgroms and in Turkey-our great secular and sort of democratoc ally--which has almost no native Christians left. How is that al-Qaedian???

[Destro]

You probably did not even know Tariq Aziz was a Catholic.

[ApesForEvolution]

Tariq Azziz could sleep in a garage and call himself a car, but it wouldn't make him one.

Communists, which are simply a more poiniant and evolved form of socialists, have no part with Christ. Dead, powerless religions, yes. Christ, no.

The Ba'athists are stalinist trash that consider all religion an opiate of the masses, and put up with it in a controlled, sterile manner.

[Destro]

EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with you!!! Which is why the al-Qaeda link to Iraq is weak.

[ApesForEvolution]

WRONG! It points to exactly WHY Iraq's relationships with all terrorists is being/will be exposed. The enemy of your enemy and all that...

[Destro]

The Ba'athists are stalinist trash that consider all religion an opiate of the masses, and put up with it in a controlled, sterile manner.

I agree....what does al-Qaeda stand for?????????

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

You are wrong there. I did know Aziz was Catholic. When are you going to stop changing the subject and answer the question? What action did Bin Laden ever take against Saddam? And don't try and say that he started Al Queada becuase there is not proof that Saddam was his real reason for starting Al Queada.

Just on instance.

Not 2. Just one.

[Destro]

I gave my first Osama bin Laden anti-Saddam gesture--an attempt to raise an army to kick him out of Kuwait. That was not good enough for you. If no other act follwed-what does that prove? That they are allies?

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

"I gave my first Osama bin Laden anti-Saddam gesture--an attempt to raise an army to kick him out of Kuwait. That was not good enough for you. If no other act follwed-what does that prove? That they are allies?"

This proves that Osama Bin Laden built an army. It in no fashions proves why he built that army. Does it make him allies with Saddam? In an of itselft no.

Consider this. The timing of when Osama built his army: the first gulf war was either about to happen or had started already. That would give him options of why to build the army. He could have done it like you state, to go against Saddam, but he never did, he never seemed to get into Saddam's area of rule or any Iraqi interests, much less do any actual action against Saddam or Iraq.

Another option is that Bin Laden was a Pro-Kuwait, but he did not lift a finger the help the Kuwaitis either.

A 3rd option is that he was against Saudi Arabia for letting the infidels (us) in. Then when they let us in anyway, the Saudis took away his citizenship to Saudi Arabia. He did not attack the Saudis or any of their interest either.

The final option is that Bin Laden built his army to fight the US of A. Guess what. All attacks have been against the US of A or our interests.

I have not said that Bin Laden and Saddam were or were not working together. My questions have been very directed to show that the possibility exists, because the option that "they hated each other" simply does not hold water.

[Destro]

The final option is that Bin Laden built his army to fight the US of A. Guess what. All attacks have been against the US of A or our interests.

Already linked an answer for you :

In the years since, opposition to secular regimes has remained central to Islamist thinking. What has changed is the radicals' strategy for toppling these governments. After decades in which jihadists were defeated by security services in their home countries, Osama bin Laden and his followers decided that they would attack the "far enemy," the United States, which they believe is the primary source of strength for the secularist regimes in the Arab world. If the United States withdrew its support, the "near enemy" that holds power in Muslim capitals would be unable to defend itself.

[mjaneangels@aolcom]

And again I say nice theory. Where is the beef?

You are really good at quoting the NYTimes and other liberal news organizations. Why do you not stop quoting them and let us know what you think? Or do you only think what they think?

Again I will ask, what acts, not want, but acts, has Bin Laden and Al Queada performed against Saddam Hussein?

And while we are at it, quit changing the subject. Focus on the question I have presented numberous times. What is the act that proves your point?

[Destro]

Why do you not stop quoting them and let us know what you think?

You mean opinion passes for fact?

Citing sources is a form of scholarship.

You pose a question that you designed to provide an answer you seek. You can't prove a negative. If al-Qaeda was not waging war on Iraq-somehow that somehow proves to you that al-Qaeda and Iraq were allied or something.

Fine--prove it to me the way you would have to in front of a congressional committee or a news editor or a college professor. Cite evidence to back up your thesis. Convert me with facts. I am an enemy of the jihad and post against it daily. I would love to link al-Qaeda and Iraq as allies.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

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