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One in three French wants Saddam to win
The Times ^
| April 2, 2003
| Charles Bremner and Alan Hamilton
Posted on 04/01/2003 2:15:55 PM PST by MadIvan
ILL-FEELING between Britain and France over the invasion of Iraq has plumbed new depths with the desecration of that most sacred of memorials, a war cemetery.
The defilement of Commonwealth war graves in northern France coincided with a poll for The Times which found that 54 per cent of Britons no longer regarded France as a close ally because of its opposition to the war.
Relations will be further rent by a second poll, in Le Monde, showing that only a third of the French felt that they were on the same side as the Americans and British, and that another third desired outright Iraqi victory over les anglo-saxons.
Eleven thousand Allied soldiers lie buried in well-tended peace at Etaples, on the Channel coast near Le Touquet, victims of the struggle by Anglo-Saxons to liberate the French from the German invaders during the First World War.
Last week the obelisk raised in their memory was defiled by red-painted insults such as Rosbeefs go home; May Saddam prevail and spill your blood; and, in a reference to the long-dead casualties beneath the manicured turf, They are soiling our land.
Local gendarmerie have launched an inquiry, but have so far found no clues. They say there had been no significant demonstrations against the war in that area of France.
The graffiti have now been scrubbed off, but the incident has provoked outrage among British politicians, war graves staff and the few remaining relatives of those buried at Etaples. French politicians have joined the condemnation.
Michael Ancram, the Shadow Foreign Secretary, described the incident as a disgrace, saying that if the soldiers buried there had not liberated France, those vandals would not be enjoying the freedom that they are so badly abusing today.
Bruce George, the Labour chairman of the Commons Defence Committee, said: Remembering what sacrifice these men made for the liberation of France, I cannot believe any mature, sane person would be so stupid as that. Britain and France might have differences, but we need to get a grip on these malevolent and childish gestures.
David Uffold, 63, a Shropshire farmer, is the only surviving relative of Rifleman Frederick Uffold of the London Regiment, who is buried at Etaples. I find it sickening that anyone would vandalise the cemetery; it is a futile and ridiculous act, he said. It is the last place they should be protesting about Iraq. These fellows were drafted in to fight for France. I cant see any connection between the men buried at Etaples and the war in Iraq.
Peter Francis, of the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, said he was dismayed and disgusted that a place remembering those who died defending freedom in world wars long ago should be dragged into a current political debate. The French authorities have also expressed their shock and anger and have begun regular security checks at the cemetery, he said.
French politicians did their best to portray the desecration as an isolated act, but it nonetheless underlined anti-American and anti-British emotions running through France over what is seen there as a bungled invasion rapidly turning into a humanitarian disaster.
President Chiracs spokesman said: We are indignant and shocked by the desecration of the graves of soldiers from allied countries who fought for our liberty.
Jean-Pierre Raffarin, the Prime Minister, sought to cool the hostility towards the US and to a lesser extent Britain by cautioning against all forms of anti-Americanism. The French must not be confused about the identity of the enemy, he said. The Americans are not the enemy; just because we are against this war, it does not mean that we want the victory of dictatorship over democracy.
TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: District of Columbia; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: blair; bush; chirac; france; francepollsoniraq; iraq; saddam; uk; us; war
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France, go to hell.
Regards, Ivan
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posted on
04/01/2003 2:15:55 PM PST
by
MadIvan
To: Citizen of the Savage Nation; cgk; proust; swheats; starfish; maui_hawaii; JenB; SJackson; ...
Bump!
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posted on
04/01/2003 2:16:10 PM PST
by
MadIvan
To: MadIvan
WTF they defiled british and american graves??
Any links on this please?
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posted on
04/01/2003 2:17:23 PM PST
by
may18
To: MadIvan
One in three French wants Saddam to win One in three babies born in France today is Muslim.
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posted on
04/01/2003 2:18:23 PM PST
by
TopQuark
To: may18
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posted on
04/01/2003 2:20:46 PM PST
by
Cagey
Comment #6 Removed by Moderator
To: TopQuark
One in three French want Saddam to win....Hmmm, looks like they just can't keep from picking losers every time!
To: MadIvan
One in three French are Islamic immigrants.
To: MadIvan
Each day I despise the French with even greater passion. If the UK & USA aren't France's friends, who are? The Russians? The Germans? The Chinese? The old adage that one can divine another's character by analyzing who their friends are is never more apt.
To: MadIvan
One in three French wants Saddam to winThe other 2/3rd's have already surrendered!
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posted on
04/01/2003 2:23:05 PM PST
by
husky ed
(FOX NEWS ALERT "Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead" THIS HAS BEEN A FOX NEWS ALERT)
To: TopQuark
Two of those babies,French born, but not Muslim, I am sad to say, are related to me. I wish my niece would come home, but then, she married a Frenchman. What are the odds that both would move here?
To: MadIvan
France will be an Islamic state within 2 generations.
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posted on
04/01/2003 2:27:05 PM PST
by
tomahawk
To: MadIvan
ILL-FEELING between Britain and France over the invasion of Iraq has plumbed new depths Interesting choice of words. Any lower, and we'll have to start using 'spelunk'.
To: husky ed
I'm disappointed that the first surrender joke was the #10th post.
People, we can do better than this!!!
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posted on
04/01/2003 2:28:03 PM PST
by
A Texan
(Lets finish the game.)
To: Badabing Badaboom
"Nope, no weapons of mass graffiti around here!" By the way, Austin Powers called...he wants his teeth back.
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posted on
04/01/2003 2:28:08 PM PST
by
TheBigB
To: MadIvan
We need to follow Ann Coulter's advice. She assessed them correctly back in 2001, after 9-11.
Attack France!
by Ann Coulter
http://www.anncoulter.org/columns/2001/122001.htm December 20, 2001
AS PUNDITS MULL whether America's next target in the war on terrorism should be Iraq or a smaller quarry first such as the Sudan or Somalia it's time to consider another petri dish of ferocious anti-American hatred and terrorist activity. The Bush doctrine is: We are at war not only with the terrorists, but also with those who harbor them.
We've got to attack France.
Having exhausted itself in a spirited fight with the Nazis in the last war, France cannot work up the energy to oppose terrorism. For decades now, France has nurtured, coddled and funded Islamic terrorists. (Moreover, the Great Satan is getting a little sick of our McDonald's franchises being attacked on behalf of notoriously inefficient French dairy farmers.)
At the 1972 Olympics, Muslim terrorists assassinated 11 Israeli athletes and one German policeman. Five years later, acting on intelligence from Israeli secret police, French counterespionage agents arrested the reputed mastermind of the massacre, Abu Daoud. Both Israel and West Germany sought the extradition of Daoud. Afraid of upsetting Muslim terrorists, France refused on technical grounds and set him free.
In 1986, Libyan agents of Moammar Gadhafi planted a bomb in a West Berlin discotheque, killing an American serviceman and a Turkish woman. Hundreds more were injured. President Reagan retaliated with air strikes against Libyan military targets including Gadhafi's living quarters.
Quaking in the face of this show of manly force, France denied America the use of its airspace. As a consequence, American pilots were required to begin their missions from airbases in Britain. When the pilots finally made it to Tripoli, tired from the long flights and showing a puckish sense of humor, they bombed the French embassy by mistake. POW! So sorry, our mistake.
France has repeatedly decried economic sanctions against Iraq and has accused the United Nations of manufacturing evidence against Saddam Hussein. The U.N., not even the Great Satan. The French U.N. ambassador dismissed aerial photographs of Iraqi military trucks fleeing inspection sites just before U.N. weapons inspectors arrived as quote "perhaps a truckers' picnic."
Along with the rest of the European Union, France sends millions of dollars to the Palestinian Authority every year. Sucking up to the P.A. has really paid dividends to the craven butterbellies. While visiting Arafat in Gaza last year to announce several million more dollars in aid, Prime Minister Lionel Jospin was attacked by angry, stone-throwing Palestinian students.
Earlier this year, France connived with human-rights champions China and Cuba to toss the United States off the U.N. Human Rights Commission. Sudan took America's place, and, if its diplomats are not too bogged down with human torture and slave trading, they are very much looking forward to attending the meetings.
This summer, Paris made Mumia Abu-Jamal an honorary citizen of Paris. In America's cowboy, bloodlust, rush-to-judgment approach to the death penalty, this convicted Philadelphia cop-killer has been sitting on death row and giving radio interviews and college commencement addresses for 20 years. Since "Mumia" sounds like a Muslim terrorist, Parisians can use the same bumper stickers for the war.
Two weeks into America's war on terrorism, Le Figaro began calling for "American restraint." In polls, 47 percent of the French said they believed the U.S. military action was failing. Seventeen percent thought it was working (which was admittedly 17 percent more than on the New York Times editorial page). Flaunting France's well-established reputation as a fearsome fighting machine, the French foreign minister, Hubert Vedrine, immediately advised the United States to stop bombing Afghanistan.
The first indictment to come out of the Sept. 11 attacks was of a French national, Zacarias Moussaoui. He is believed to be the intended 20th hijacker on Bloody Tuesday. France quickly moved to extend consular protection for Moussaoui. Intriguingly, French Justice Minister Marylise Lebranchu has demanded that Moussaoui not be executed.
Mlle. Lebranchu seems to have forgotten, but WE ARE THE GREAT SATAN! We also have Moussaoui. It's annoying enough when these celebrated Nazi slayers refuse to extradite terrorists on the grounds that America does not observe the pristine judicial formalities of their pals, China, Cuba and the Sudan. But under what zany theory of international law does France think it can tell us what to do with a terrorist we caught right here on U.S. soil?
The Great Satan is wearying of this reverse hegemony, in which little pipsqueak nations try to impose their pipsqueak values on us. Aren't we the ones who should be arrogantly oppressing countries that unaccountably do not have the death penalty?
And now, as America goes about building support for an attack on Iraq guess who's complaining? The turtlenecked chickens are terrified of offending fanatical Muslims and inviting a terrorist attack, but Arab leaders are supposed to face down the vastly larger populations of crazies living in their own countries. While France whines, Turkey a predominantly Muslim country, I note is preparing its airstrips for a possible U.S. attack on Iraq.
If this is a war against terrorism and not a Eurocentric war against Islam, the conclusion is ineluctable: We must attack France. What are they going to do? Fight us?
To: MadIvan
I dropped the frog queen a letter the other day. Bastards!
French President Jacques Chirac
Monsieur Le President de la Republique
Palais de l'Elysee
55, rue du Faubourg Saint-Honore
75008 Paris
FRANCE
Friday, March 21, 2003
Dear President Chirac,
Just a quick note to ensure you understand millions of Americans will never forget you and your countrys cowardice.
We have somewhat considered you an ally and a friend in the past. That perception has recently shifted for all times. And trust me, it is permanent.
I and millions of other Americans are now encouraging our elected officials, President Bushs administration and business leaders to change their thinking about France. You will see in the future a new punitive approach towards our relationship with your country.
Dont expect a public announcement regarding this shift. But it will happen.
With friends like France who needs enemies. We are quickly discovering who our real friends are. It is not you or your country. I imagine a few years down the road there will be hell to pay for your position in the history books and your political partys future.
Were tired of your slander and your weak knees. Thanks for all your help in the United Nations.
Yours truly,
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posted on
04/01/2003 2:30:25 PM PST
by
schaketo
To: MadIvan
"They are soiling our land."
Well, if the remaining decent Frenchmen don't toss this lot into 'le mer', then our ancient anglo prejudices will be proven correct.
To: MadIvan
France is our enemy.
The French fired on my country's troops enroute to get Hitler.
France helped Kadafi avoid punishment when he blew up TWA palne in flight and killed US citizens.
France has been arming Saddam for over 12 years in violation of numerous UN resolutions.
France must be added to the list of terrorist nations which are against the people of the United States.
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posted on
04/01/2003 2:31:27 PM PST
by
Kay Soze
(France is a terrorist nation - "The country where the worms live above ground")
To: MadIvan
One in three Frogs is a Moslem, too. Go figure.
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posted on
04/01/2003 2:31:39 PM PST
by
Junior
(Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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