[Jhoffa_]

I'm not really trying to put forth an argument to remain there..

What I am actually looking for is the long view of what would happen if we just flat withdrew. Today, right now.

Who is going to fill this vacuum, how much success would they have, how would it be minifested and what would the UN look like in 5 or 10 years?

Would it collapse? Or become a powerful, destructive instrument of some nation or coalition of nations (to a greater degree than it has already, I know.)

Its more of a hypothetical than an argument to remain, as I hate the UN and always have.

[Torie]

As LBJ said about J. Edgar Hoover, it is better to have the entity inside the tent pissing out, then outside the tent pissing in. In the end, despite all the teeth knashing on FR, the UN doesn't do much harm (we won't let it), and sometimes does some good. JMO.