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To: Stavka2; William McKinley
BTW, I am not a neo-Con. I am a conservative. Are you a neo-Marxist?

I did not get my history wrong. We had been blessed with a cordial, indeed friendly relationship with the Hawaiian people and monarachy. Congress, and the President never authorized the seizure of Hawaii during Cleveland's administration, so as a matter of imperial policy, it wasn't there.

Indeed, Grover Cleveland was all set to return the throne back to the Queen after investigating the matter, concluding the diplomat who had exceeded his authority and wrongly conspired with the ranchers and sugar plantations to subvert the throne. He fired said minister. He pulled the treaty back from the Senate. He, apologized to her, and was ready to put the queen back in power, if she would agree to let bygones be bygones. She foolishly refused. Hence she gave him no choice but to sit on his hands. And then the next president, Wm McKinley, did do the annexation, as the alternatives were worse at that point.

I like how Grover Cleveland summarized the final state of affairs with the Queen of Hawaii:

Actuated by these desires and purposes,and not unmindful of the inherent perplexities of the situation nor of the limitations upon my power, I instructed Minister Willis to advise the Queen and her supporters of my desire to aid in the restoration of the status existing before the lawless landing of the United States forces at Honolulu on the 16th of January last, if such restoration could be effected upon terms providing for clemency as well as justice to all parties concerned. The conditions suggested, as the instructions show, contemplate a general amnesty to those concerned insetting up the provisional government and a recognition of all its bona fide acts and obligations. In short, they require that the past should be buried, and that the restored Government should reassume its authority as if its continuity had not been interrupted. These conditions have not proved acceptable to the Queen, and though she has been informed that they will be insisted upon, and that, unless acceded to, the efforts of the President to aid in the restoration of her Government will cease, I have not thus far learned that she is willing to yield them her acquiescence. The check which my plans have thus encountered has prevented their presentation to the members of the provisional government, while unfortunate public misrepresentations of the situation and exaggerated statements of the sentiments of our people have obviously injured the prospects of successful Executive mediation.

223 posted on 04/01/2003 9:18:41 AM PST by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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To: Paul Ross
Would have liked too...yeah, what ever.
226 posted on 04/01/2003 9:21:23 AM PST by Stavka2 (Setting the record straight.)
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