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Rumsfeld's Role as War Strategist Under Scrutiny
Reuters ^ | 3-30-03 | By Will Dunham

Posted on 03/30/2003 5:49:20 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer

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To: cgbg
Reuters, the only recognized microphone logo seen at enemy press briefings. The war is progressing what is their beef?
Looks like it is time for microphone manufacturers to build in the satellite kill switch.
22 posted on 03/30/2003 6:18:28 AM PST by wita
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
"Goure said. "I don't think that he is doing as good a job, partly because people, including the media, are bored with him, bored with his shtick."

Goure = Gore?

23 posted on 03/30/2003 6:21:38 AM PST by G.Mason (Lessons of life needn't be fatal)
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To: walkingman
What inside information do you have that Rummy is doing what you claim?

The 4th ID was called up long ago, Turkey refused them entrance. Hence they had to ship the machinery around the Gulf. The troops are now enroute.

According to Franks at his press conference this am he said that very few knew the "plans" and part of the plan was to be able to make adjustments.

Had that 4th ID been on the ground in the south sooner they would still be cleaning that equipment of mud and sand considering what kind of weather they had last week.

24 posted on 03/30/2003 6:24:30 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: AmericaUnited
Don't forget the un, the french, the russians, the germans, the war protesters, the senate, tom daschle, and a few others all leave out for the moment. Can you imagine the synergistic success we should be having if all of these nay-sayers were on board? Tough to make a silk purse out of a sphincter mound.
25 posted on 03/30/2003 6:24:58 AM PST by wita
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To: walkingman
You might think about what you said in light of Franks' press conference TODAY. Franks was quite clear in saying that the 4th ID moved exactly when, and where, "we wanted it to." So are you calling Franks a liar?

May I suggest that the Turkey talks all along were a feint to tie down large portions of Iraqi forces facing north, which FRANKS TODAY IMPLIED HAD TO BE SUDDENLY REDEPLOYED (too late!!) to the south. He further implied that this is what made our advance so quick.

Either Franks is an idiot, or in fact there is a plan. You don't know it, and I don't know it, although I did give what I think is happening here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/879184/posts

If you look closely, we have PLENTY of "boots on the ground," only many of them are unaccounted for in theater.

26 posted on 03/30/2003 6:28:54 AM PST by LS
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
McCaffrey said some moves have been "just shocking

This McCaffrey is a disgrace. Remember when he was running the DEA and some of his own agents and their wives were dealing with the drug pushers?

27 posted on 03/30/2003 6:30:28 AM PST by scouse
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To: walkingman
The call up of the 4th ID? They are active duty, they have always been "up". The 4th was designated to go in through Turkey, they have been ready for months.

Rumsfeld is the Secretary of Denfense, as even Reuters admits. He is the boss of all the soldiers. As such, he is responsible for policy, not Gen. MCaffrey (ret) or even Gen Franks, and especially not Reuters. Civilians direct our military, fortunately.

The mission of the 4th ID, coming from the north, was designed to draw off some of the troops facing the main thrust from the south.

The war, I think, is going pretty much as planned. Iraq is not Vietnam or the Afghanistan and Chechnya that the the Russians experienced. The vast majority of the people are not and never have been supporters of Saddam.

I think we will soon see that terror attacks are being commited by people who are not even Iraqi, as the Iraqi people see that we are getting rid of their oppresors.
28 posted on 03/30/2003 6:37:05 AM PST by jimtorr
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To: scouse

29 posted on 03/30/2003 6:42:45 AM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (Let's Roll)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
This is just more Reuters BS posing as a news article, and it is typical of the BS from Reuters since 9/11/2001.

Reuters is not able to print the truth when it comes to Islamofacist/kazi terrorism and the thugs in control of Iraq.

Reuters is controlled by an rich Opecker Prince who will not allow the words terrorism or terrorist to be used in any article where the Islamofacists/kazis are responsible.

The pure bull $ that Reuters has printed since New Years to save their Uncle Soddomite's rear end is massive and like a continuing wet dream by Reuters with little if any basis on reality! This wet dream posing as a news article is a prime example of the BS Reuters puts out posing as news.

Believe nothing that Reuters has to say about the Islamofacists leaders, our allies and our administration. Reuters creates more Bravo Sierra in a day than 1,000,000 cattle do.

This meter should be run with the posting of any Reuters article. Reuters makes the NY Slimes look all most honest.

Meanwhile, Reuters is taking a beating in the business world. Recently, Reuters reported a loss of $631 million, the largest in its 150-year history. In addition, Reuters announced 3,000 job cuts, along with the 3,200 jobs cut over the past two years. Reuters' market capitalization has plunged by almost 90 percent from its peak, and Reuters' stock has fallen to a 14-year low. (Reuters posts record loss, to cut jobs News provider to cut 3,000 workers as part of turnaround plan , Link to how the Reuters lies and BS hits Reuters's bottom line)

Apparently Reuters' dwindling credibility as a media provider is now affecting their bottom line. May Reuters go broke and slide into the Irrelevant Cesspool!

Ho Humm, more Bravo Sierra from Reuters!

Grampa Dave's final Reuters comment, Beware of any Reuters post from those who hate America and claim to be patriots. No real conservative would ever use a Reuters hit piece as a center piece for an argument or discussion.

30 posted on 03/30/2003 6:56:05 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
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To: All
This latest hit and BS article by Reuters should be have a medical warning posted with the BS.

THIS JUST IN: "Americans who only watch ABCNNBCBS and only read the Compost, NY Slimes, REUTERS or AP, are at risk for developing depression, shingles, and other DSM V symptoms and signs. Rx : FREE REPUBLIC 1x q6h or prn" Rx : FREE REPUBLIC 1x q6h or prn"

31 posted on 03/30/2003 6:59:07 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Yep, they're all writing the same damn piece.
32 posted on 03/30/2003 7:00:23 AM PST by dighton (Amen-Corner Hatchet Team, Nasty Little Clique)
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To: general_re; BlueLancer; Poohbah; hellinahandcart
Cartoon of the Week at #29.
33 posted on 03/30/2003 7:03:15 AM PST by dighton (Amen-Corner Hatchet Team, Nasty Little Clique)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
That cartoon nails it!
34 posted on 03/30/2003 7:10:48 AM PST by Yardstick
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To: dighton
The libs and the so called conservatives who hate President Bush and cheer on the evil ones are working off of the same play book and same page.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/879074/posts

The Media would hate for the good guys to win this war
Facing stronger-than-expected resistance from media quarters, a U.S. General said Iraqi paramilitaries groups like the Fedayeen Saddam aren't your classic guerrilla force, given their lack of popular support from ordinary Iraqis.

The press, frustrated by polls showing growing support for the war to topple Saddam Hussein, is whipping up a sandstorm, portraying the allied advance, now poised at the gates of the capital mere days into the operation, as a quagmire -- bogged down, behind schedule, buffeted by huge setbacks, including colossal allied losses which, while widely reported, keep failing to materialize, adding to media frustration.

Operation Iraqi Freedom faces stiff media pockets of resistance, waged primarily from newsrooms at the New York Times, the Washington Post, Reuters and the Associated Press, home to Fedayeen Saddmites dressed in "journalistic" clothes. They've been known to use Iraqi propaganda of "civilian casualties" from claimed 'errant' bombing as a form of "human shield" to hamper the war effort.

35 posted on 03/30/2003 7:13:11 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
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To: dighton
This may be the cartoon of the entire war:
36 posted on 03/30/2003 7:17:43 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
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To: All
One of the really stupid and funny Reuters articles was posted yesterday. Sounds like the druggies posing as reporters/editors got their story from the Art Bell callers.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/879415/posts

Any so called news source that publishes something like this is whacked out:

"The officers said the tank unit fired two 120 mm high velocity depleted uranium rounds straight down the main road, creating a powerful vacuum that literally sucked guerrillas out from their hideaways into the street, where they were shot down by small arms fire or run over by the tanks.The officers said the tank unit fired two 120 mm high velocity depleted uranium rounds straight down the main road, creating a powerful vacuum that literally sucked guerrillas out from their hideaways into the street, where they were shot down by small arms fire or run over by the tanks."

37 posted on 03/30/2003 7:28:43 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Look there is never smoke without fire- Most news sites are running this story- not just the "usual suspects"
There is a great article in the Washington Post
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A49010-2003Mar29.html
Which sums up neatly the fact that Rumsfeld has and did "micromanaged" the deployment plan- resulting in the problems we are encountering today.

As a conservative I believe in one thing- politicians shouldn't micro-manage the economy- leave it to market forces. In the same vein politicians (civilian leadership) should not micro-manage the war- leave it to the generals.

I suspect that Colin Powell in failing to secure a UN second vote and Rumsfeld for putting all his faith, incorrectly, in technology rather than boots on the ground might not see office in the second Bush term.

38 posted on 03/30/2003 7:31:11 AM PST by devo
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To: Just mythoughts
Yes, now that Dasshole and even Rangel have caught on to how dangerous running their mouths can be, they are spurring on the unnamed sources - retired and active Clinton leftovers - to do their dirty work for them.
39 posted on 03/30/2003 7:37:53 AM PST by Let's Roll (And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
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To: dighton; Oldeconomybuyer; sauropod; Stultis
OMG, that may be the funniest war cartoon yet.
40 posted on 03/30/2003 8:12:45 AM PST by hellinahandcart
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