[fourdeuce82d]

facts about fetal heart development.

Not a fan of abortion, but WTF? What does the activity of the cardiac muscle have to do with whether or not I, you, or anyone else is a person protected from murder?

silly.

[JusPasenThru]

It's interesting how the proabortion groups harken to the mythological times before abortion was legal. The number of deaths from illegal abortions in the years prior to Roe v. Wade were always less than the number of people killed by lightning strikes. The numbers were inflated, no, actually manufactered by the proabortion ideologues and accepted without question by the press and the majority of the American people.
An educated and moral people can never approve of abortion.

[Illbay]

Because the pro-aborts tell you that it's a "non-viable tissue mass." A "non-viable tissue mass" with a heartbeat?

[Dan(9698)]

>>>...What does the activity of the cardiac muscle have to do with whether or not I, you, or anyone else is a person protected from murder?

If it isn't alive, why do they have to kill it?

I am glad my parents didn't practice abortion.

Maybe yours should have.

[CyberAnt]

Excuse me ... if your heart STOPS beating, you are considered dead ... if it starts beating then perhaps you should be considered ALIVE ...?? Interesting concept.

[Concerned]

FOURDEUCE82D WROTE: "Not a fan of abortion, but WTF? What does the activity of the cardiac muscle have to do with whether or not I, you, or anyone else is a person protected from murder?...silly."

I believe the comparison Afton Dahl was trying to make is that even when someone is on their death bed, as long as they STILL have a heartbeat (i.e. one of the MEDICAL SIGNS of LIFE), they are considered ALIVE.

Since a PRE-BORN baby also has a heartbeat---at 12 to 18 days after conception (I've always heard 18 to 24 days)---it, too, MUST therefore ALSO be considered ALIVE.

BTW, in 1974, I was an ARDENT supporter of abortion rights. I changed my mind 180 degrees, however, when I had to do an UNBIASED simulated radio broadcast on a "controversial issue" for a Radio/TV/Film class at TCU. I THOUGHT it would be easy. I THOUGHT I would put what I then called "those religious nuts" to shame.

After forcing myself to have to FAIRLY INVESTIGATE the "other" side's arguments, I realized I was WRONG. And I realized that there are 3 questions that MUST be asked:

(1) Is "it" alive? Is "it" growing? No matter WHAT someone might want to call "it," "it" IS 100% BIOLOGICALLY ALIVE---from the MOMENT of conception! And in 9 months, barring abortion or miscarriage, a baby will be born.

(2) Is "it" human? Does "it" have DNA from a dog, cat, horse, zebra, or HUMAN? "It" has HUMAN DNA! "It" IS 100% BIOLOGICALLY HUMAN---from the MOMENT of conception!

(3) Would PETA allow a dog or cat to have its legs RIPPED OFF of its PRE-BORN body and its SKULL CRUSHED? Obviously, NOT!

Well, if "it" IS ALIVE, and "it" IS HUMAN, and PETA would NEVER allow a dog or cat to be treated so INHUMANELY, WHY do we allow it to be done to PRE-BORN HUMAN BABIES???

[Concerned]

Just in case you might think I "just don't understand what it would be like to have a child born with disabilities," I am the MOTHER of a SEVERELY mentally and physically disabled child who neither walks nor talks nor feeds herself and who still wears diapers at 18 years of age...and I am STILL PRO-LIFE!

[aloysius89]

It was an argument made by a teenager in class quoted by a newspaper that wasn't entirely sympathetic to her point of view (or that was trying to be objective.) There are better arguments for the individuality and personhood of the "fetus".

[hocndoc]

They're kids. Kids do better with visual aids. They go from seeing the heart, imagining it beating, then they feel their heart beat and suddenly, the new, unborn human is real. He or she could be/ is them!
I'm proud of these kids.

[TheCookMan]

I was shocked that there were that many students who felt strong enough and confident enough to speak about being pro-life," said Nina Verin, a parent of another student in the class (whose oral argument was about war in Iraq). "The people I associate with in town are pro-choice, so I'm troubled — where do these kids come from?"

Here's where they come from: YOU INADVERTADELY CREATED THEM.

These people study history. They know that the 60's didn't just happen, people created it. Hence, they know that the only way to undo the damage is to fight back, and fight back hard.

Thus says Cook.