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To: FrdmLvr
"Her only mistake"

Actually she two. The second was carrying a 9mm. .45ACP = 1 shot center mass and they don't get up. Most 9mm handguns have large capacity magazines for 1 reason. 9mm has minimal stopping power and will require more than 1 shot. Why else would law enforcement change to .40 caliber?

regards - red

16 posted on 03/29/2003 5:59:20 AM PST by rednek (if it isn't large caliber, it isn't worth carrying)
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To: rednek
while I congradulate this woman for her courage I do wich she had just pulled the trigger when she had the gun in his face.
17 posted on 03/29/2003 6:07:04 AM PST by Mr. K
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To: rednek
Two feet away from the perp's forehead. a Nine will do just fine.
20 posted on 03/29/2003 6:27:52 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: rednek
Don't start the caliber war again. LOL.

A woman who likes and uses her 9MM can do better if she loads it with some of the magic bullets like Hydra-Shoks, Quik-Shocks or Corbans.

I'm thinking about using a .38 snub or 9MM as a pocket gun in the winter when I can't unzip fast enough to get to the .45.
25 posted on 03/29/2003 6:39:41 AM PST by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: rednek
Why else would law enforcement change to .40 caliber?

So that it is easyer to tell the difference between "gang rounds" and LEO rounds.

30 posted on 03/29/2003 7:03:14 AM PST by ChefKeith (NASCAR...everything else is just a game!)
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To: rednek
What she did worked. She should be wary pointing and and not shooting, especially that close, but she lived long enough to get better because she did something, and the kid has a little more fear of approaching a woman with bad intent. Good for her.

Not all women can fire a .45 well enough for the gun to become a friend.... I am an accomplished shooter and my hands are just too small for the grip on large-semi-autos. Little short fingers.
47 posted on 03/29/2003 7:34:04 AM PST by HairOfTheDog (May it be a light for you in dark places, when all other lights go out.)
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To: rednek
At that close range she wouldn't have any trouble with a 9mm. If in doubt, load it with Hydro Shock hollow points, or some other load designed for personal defense.
52 posted on 03/29/2003 7:41:08 AM PST by Pablo64 ("But still I fear and still dare not laugh at the the Madman.")
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To: rednek
Sorry Red, any gun is better than no gun.

I wont care whether I have to punch one hole or two to stop an assualt. Besides, .357's are better than .45's but who wants to carry one? Good house gun, not comfortable as concealment arm.

Little people need little guns and training, gun handling and mental state, to use them.

66 posted on 03/29/2003 8:05:18 AM PST by onceone
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To: rednek
red, she pointed the gun at his face, one shot center mass to the face with the 9mm and the perp can forget his face... she should do less talking and more shooting...

jmt teeman
92 posted on 03/29/2003 11:23:18 AM PST by teeman8r
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To: rednek
General Julian Hatcher in the early 1900’s developed a good formula to determine the theoretical stopping power of a firearm cartridge. His formula has withstood the test of time and validation from other studies and data related to stopping power.

You want a handgun cartridge that has a Hatcher value of over 50 for the most effective stopping power. Values over 55 have diminishing returns in that you don’t gain any significant increase in stopping power for the extra recoil and control you must cope with. Handgun cartridges that don’t make a value of at least 50, should not considered for self-defense. If the rating of your handgun cartridge is under 30, it only has about a 30% chance of producing a one shot stop. Hatcher Ratings of 30 to 49 raise a one shot stop to approximately a 50% chance. Ratings of 50 or higher may produce a one shot stop about 90% of the time.

.45 ACP full metal jacket 230 grain 60.7

*.44 Magnum wad cutter 240 grain 136.8

*.44 Special wad cutter 240 grain 76.5

*.41 Magnum wad cutter 230 grain 80

10 millimeter jacketed hollow point 180 grain 62.1

.40 S&W jacketed hollow point 180 grain 59.4

*.38 Special wad cutter 158 grain 39.7

**.357 Magnum wad cutter 158 grain 48.5

.357 SIG jacketed hollow point 147 grain 45.2

9 millimeter full metal jacket 147 grain 32.3

9 millimeter jacketed hollow point 147 grain 39.9

.380 Auto jacketed hollow point 95 grain 18.3

.32 Auto jacketed hollow point 71 grain 11.1

.25 Auto jacketed hollow point 50 grain 3.7

.22 Long Rifle jacketed hollow point 40 grain 4.2

* Jacketed hollow points will have the same rating as wad cutter bullets if the bullet hollow tip is greater than 1/2 of the caliber of the bullet.

** .357 Magnum ratings are taken from a firearm with a 3 inch barrel. Longer barrels will raise the rating of the round.

96 posted on 03/29/2003 2:44:51 PM PST by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: rednek
The small caliber handgun that you carry is better than the large caliber one that you leave at home, Red. Lots of women have trouble carrying a large caliber handgun (hard to conceal) and carry smaller ones instead. I don't think that most scumbag perps would be very relieved staring down the barrel of a smaller gun versus a bigger gun. I think they all look pretty scary from the business end!
98 posted on 03/29/2003 5:00:43 PM PST by Henrietta
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