Marines find bodies of four American soldiers

The New York Times via The Houston Chronicle ^ | March 29, 2003, 12:21AM | Unattributed

[getmeouttaPalmBeachCounty_FL]

I'm just now hearing about this. Oh God, this is so, so sad. My wish is that the families of these brave folks know just how many of us are holding them in prayer, and sending them love and hugs from afar.

Is it certain the four are the ones who were captured days ago, or could they be the 4 who went missing within the last 48 hours?

[NEPA]

I should add to my post re: uniforms.

The size of the uniform might give a clue as to who wore it.

The sizing starts at "extra small, extra short". If a small uniform was found, say "small, short", it would indicate it was most likely worn by a woman.

[rabidralph]

I wondered if those guys hadn't been shot because they wouldn't or couldn't take what the Iraqis were doing to her.

Then that would show a lack of discipline on their part and a loss of all military bearing. I hope that was not the case.

[dixiechick2000]

Oh! What a gut wretching picture.

Bless his heart...

[dixiechick2000]

LOL! Thanks for your support! ;o)

[mel]

Don't think any official word yet.

[dixiechick2000]

"If we northerners had half the class of what I have experienced down south, we would surrender to Lee's descendants and make the score even for the sake of justice."

LOL! I love the South, but I don't think we need to go there, again!

Thank you. Your support is much appreciated.

BTW, I make a mean sweet potato pie...it's my favorite!

[dixiechick2000]

"Kick butt and take names."

LOL! I'll do my best...

;o)

[dixiechick2000]

What a nice thing to say! Thank you!

[Herodotus]

Ah, good point on the sizing then..

Is the point about the buttons bein on the other side correct as well?

[reflecting]

I have three daughters and one son. All of my girls are strong athletic, smart young women. They should never, except as a matter of last resort (last resort being enemy on your door step), be in combat. Never. It is all very simple, boys are big, girls are small, boys are strong, girls are not, girls have babies, boys do not.

[Rockpile]

Until today the I did not know about the girl from West Virginia and only heard yesterday evening of the Hopi girl from Arizona. However I have seen the Johnson girl a dozen times. Why was the News Cartel so predjudiced towards her plight but not the others?

[OldFriend]

Prayers for our heroes......all of them. May the enemy rot in hell for all time.

[NEPA]

Is the point about the buttons being on the other side correct as well?

No, not on camo, only dress uniforms. (By "dress" I mean the "suit" type, not a women's dress). Not unless something has changed recently which I very much doubt because it wouldn't be cost effective for the military and makes no sense anyway.

[cyborg]

Probably because she has two young children? I don't think the other two have kids.

[cyborg]

I do not believe as a rule women should be in combat, esp. women with children.

[Cloud William]

Take no prisoners. Kill them all until they stand down. It's the only way. Kill them without mercy. That's all.

Agreed... it seems to be the only way of dealing with them. As Rumsfeld said, if they are intent upon dying for the regime, we will accomodate them. Baghdad should be loads of fun... sure wish we still had flamethrowers in the military inventory. Seems like just the thing for eradicating the vermin that we'll find there. Peace... the old-fashioned way.

[ET(end tyranny)]

Iraqi POWs
Clean and Fed
American POWs
shot in the head

Might make a good poster. Particularly for those that might want to Freep the UN.

[Celtjew Libertarian]

I guess if you don't see the deeply foolish mistake in the argument to employ women in these roles, little can be said to make it clear. The "qualified" rationale is the key to social engineering strategies that have failed and/or are frought with problems that PCism is unwilling to acknowledge.

I would agree that most of the extensive uses of female soldiers as regulars has generally been in exceptional situations: Siege and other desperate times, revolutions (like the estimated 8,000 women on the front lines of the French Revolution), as camp followers or replacements for husbands (for example, Jemima Warner, who took her husband's spot after he died and, in turn died in combat, during the Canadian campaign of the American Revolution) or incidents where the men were absent (Prudence Wright and friends who defended a bridge and captured a British officer, during the American Revolution).

However, there is a rather extensive history of individual women who served, disguised as men. Considering almost all the cases were discovered after the woman in question was either wounded (Deborah Samson wasn't discovered, during the American Revolution (Can you tell the American Revolution is a specific area of interest for me? 8>)), until she had been wounded twice) or, sentenced to flogging, in the case of many British female tars, the historical/folkloric record probably underestimates the number of women who served in disguise.

we can never be in agreement unless you awaken to the fundamentals of biology.

This is an area where I split the difference between conservatism and P.C. views (in many areas). I believe that there are baseline fundamentals of biology that mean women, in general, are unsuited for combat. However, the variability and randomness of biology is such that there are exceptions -- individuals, who defy the baseline. I seriously doubt that women would (or should) be anything more 10% (and likely not that high), but those few women who are capable and willing should be given the chance.

[Brian Allen]

<< I would have thought they should say "murdered" rather than "executed" in these cases. >>

Me too.

The use of the euphamism, "executed" for the barbaric bloody murders committed by these mongrel bloody savages makes me puke!

Anyone who has ever been seriously mortally afraid knew with a second or two's glace at the terrorist-savages' recently promulgated video tape, that the kids still alive in it had witnessed acts that had put them in fear of their own imminent deaths.

God protect them all.