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Female Trouble : Women In War Face Worse Risks Than Men
National Review Online ^ | March 27, 2003 | Elaine Donnelly

Posted on 03/28/2003 10:21:58 PM PST by Dajjal

March 27, 2003, 7:30 a.m.
Female Trouble
Women in war face worse risks than men.

By Elaine Donnelly

Many Americans were surprised to learn of the plight of an enlisted woman captured as the first female prisoner of war in Operation Iraqi Freedom. Army Specialist Shoshana Johnson, 30-year-old single mother of a two-year-old daughter, was seen on videotape, terrified, in the hands of Iraqi irregulars. Her captors had just killed and desecrated the bodies of several soldiers taken prisoner when their Army maintenance unit went astray on March 23.

Later came the news that Pfc. Jessica Lynch, a supply clerk, is missing from the same unit. These women and their surviving colleagues are in mortal peril, but leave it to doctrinaire feminists to celebrate their plight as a “victory” for women’s rights. Such is the tone of a New York Times opinion piece, titled “The Pinking of the Armed Forces.” This bit of feminist fatuity, published on March 24, is hereby nominated for the year’s “Most Clueless Editorial” award.

The Times hailed the capture of Specialist Johnson as an opportunity to smash the “glass ceilings” which have restricted women from being “employed” in Bruce Willis-type roles in real-life combat. And with irresponsible bravado — so typical of civilian feminists eager for other women to face the enemy — the editorial suggested that with the help of “sophisticated weaponry,” women just might “outperform” their male counterparts. You would think Billie Jean King was still battling it out on the tennis court with chauvinist Bobby Riggs.

Someone at the Times has been watching too many feminist fantasy films. Take G.I. Jane, a fictional portrayal of a shaved-head heroine (Bruce Willis’s then-wife Demi Moore) surviving the ordeal of training as a Navy SEAL. In a typical Hollywood vision, we see the comely character, shimmering wet in the shower, casually talking with her slack-jawed commanding officer. How else to explain the Times’s easy dismissal of concerns about healthy men and women being “distracted” in close combat?

Americans are now praying for the swift and safe return of our POWs, male and female. No one should be surprised, however, that Spec. Johnson and Pfc. Lynch are now at the mercy of Iraqi captors. These brave but unfortunate women are facing a misogynist culture and a ruthless regime — one unlikely to comply with the Geneva Convention requiring humane treatment for prisoners of war.

Current news brings to mind the story of Army Col. Rhonda Cornum, a flight surgeon captured during the 1991-92 Gulf War. Then-Maj. Cornum, a staunch advocate of women in combat, was subjected to “sexual indecencies” within hours of her capture. She was released eight days later, but said nothing in public about the sexual assault for more than a year.

Advocates of women in combat often talk about “sharing the risk” of war, but the truth is that women face unequal and greater risks. The vulnerabilities unique to women can and probably will be exploited by enemy captors in this and similar situations as the war on terrorism continues.

All of this is happening because rules governing the assignment of women in the military were changed dramatically during the Clinton administration. Prior to 1994, the various services had definitions of "direct combat" that included such elements as physical proximity with hostile forces, reconnoitering the enemy with an inherent risk of capture, and engaging the enemy with fire, maneuver, or shock effect in contested territory, waters, or airspace.

The exact definition of combat is important, since close combat is more than the experience of being shot at or operating in a war zone. But in 1994, then-secretary of defense Les Aspin redefined “direct ground combat,” and eliminated “inherent risk of capture” as a factor to consider in exempting women from serving in units previously defined as close combat.

To open up even more “career opportunities” for women, Secretary Aspin also eliminated the Defense Department’s “Risk Rule” — a regulation intended to exempt women in non-combat positions from being assigned close to the front lines. Because of these changes, thousands of military women will be serving at greater risk in Iraq than anyone would have expected less than a decade ago.

The 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces voted against the use of women in combat for many reasons. In summary, women do not have an equal opportunity to survive, or to help fellow soldiers survive. The commission’s biggest concern, however, was the risk of capture and brutality uniquely cruel to women.

A majority of commissioners recognized that acceptance and encouragement of violence against women at the hands of the enemy would be not a step forward for women, but a step backward for civilization. The Clinton administration ignored the commission’s report, and Congress failed to schedule full-scale hearings on its findings and recommendations.

Now a real war is in progress, and the unwise policies ordered by Clinton and Aspin are being put to the test. The technological advances in Operation Iraqi Freedom have been truly amazing. But all the social engineering in the world cannot change the fact that there is nothing “fair” or “equal” about warfare.

Margaret Thorne Henderson, Spec. Johnson’s aunt, told Fox News that Shoshana had joined the Army to be a chef. Since soldiers must do what they are told, the young mother was “cross-trained” for a maintenance unit in support of the infantry. Mrs. Henderson, herself a 20-year veteran of the Air Force, calmly asked for and inspired prayers for her niece nationwide.

Pentagon officials and Congress could help by ignoring the doctrinaire daydreams promoted by the New York Times. Our women in uniform face unequal risks, and the American people need to think hard about what that really means.


Elaine Donnelly, a former member of the 1992 Presidential Commission on the Assignment of Women in the Armed Forces, is president of the Center for Military Readiness. CMR is an independent public-policy organization specializing in military personnel issues.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: combat; elainedonnelly; feminism; women; womenincombat
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To: PuNcH
So why should the risk of the unit be raised just because a less qualified person wants to volunteer?

A good question1, but one not posed by the original article. The gist of the article that started this thread was that women themselves are at greater risk, and for that reason should not be recruited into military service, or a large subset of that service.

Anyone who looks at the pictures of shoshana and lynch has to be insane to think they belonged in that kind of danger.

Please leave the ad hominem attacks out of the conversation. I am not, by any medical or legal definition, insane. And I do not think that we should judge a soldier's fitness based on one or two photographs, some of which are clearly portraits circulated by the family to put a human face on the story. Neither of us observed Shoshana or Lynch's BCT or AIT performance, nor have we read any reviews of them that may have been conducted.

I'm sure they are both good capable women but there are more appropriate places for them.

No offense, but I want the Army assigning MOSes based on aptitude and interest, not some random Freeper based on sex.

Now they will be an absolutely defeating liability to their fellow POW's [sic].

Any time there are two PWs together, one is an "absolutely defeating liability" to the other. So far, though, there is no word that any PWs have been absolutely defeated. Odd, that. Maybe our soldiers hold tighter to the Code of Conduct than you give them credit for.

1. Okay, it's not really a good question, because it insinuates that women are intrinsically less-qualified, and that there is no way to prevent a less-qualified person from joining a group or remove one should they become unsatisfactory later.

21 posted on 03/28/2003 11:46:09 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: wardaddy
Here's another one; have at it ! :-)
22 posted on 03/28/2003 11:50:34 PM PST by nopardons
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To: WorkingClassFilth
What they create or cannot deliver to the unit is the problem.

You seem to speak from experience, and I do respect that. When you served with women, what did they create and what did they fail to bring to the unit? And do the statistics prove that your experience is typical?

On top of that, you fail to make the most fundamental case for inclusion - size, strength, aggression.

I will let the Army be the judge of the fitness of any individual soldier for a specific MOS. I would not declare half the population ineligible for dozens of jobs which we badly need filled on the basis of nothing more than sex. Besides, isn't size a disincentive for many jobs? Tanker and pilot come to mind.

23 posted on 03/28/2003 11:51:43 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: Terridan
So what about when those female pilots are shot down and raped, brutalized, etc. in front of male PWs? Isn't that the threat our armchair SERE instructors are presenting us with?
24 posted on 03/28/2003 11:55:18 PM PST by Caesar Soze
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To: Caesar Soze
Because women who volunteer have been brainwashed to believe that they are men's equals. They aren't. Neither do many females think as males do, about killing/being killed. What makes you assume, that that these females really accept the risks ?

As to your snide, backhanded " subtle sexism of lowered expectations ", I'm a woman. Now, go ahead and tell me how " sexist " I am. LOL

25 posted on 03/28/2003 11:56:16 PM PST by nopardons
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To: Caesar Soze
I will let the Army be the judge of the fitness of any individual soldier for a specific MOS.

Too bad Clinton et al. didn't.

26 posted on 03/29/2003 12:01:37 AM PST by briant
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To: Caesar Soze
Apparently you didn't read my post, or you just don't believe the pluralist data. That women are generally not as qualified as men, and that they are generally a liability has been demonstrated, by the DoD and NOW. If you can challenge that data specifically and directly, you have a case. Otherwise your comments are hollow. I don't get where you're going with this.
27 posted on 03/29/2003 12:03:55 AM PST by boltCutter
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To: Caesar Soze
"So what about when those female pilots are shot down and raped, brutalized, etc. in front of male PWs? Isn't that the threat our armchair SERE instructors are presenting us with?"


I thought you understood that I said to only allow them to fly over the US of A!!! (Although, depending upon the hood they fall into, you could be right)
28 posted on 03/29/2003 12:04:18 AM PST by Terridan (God, help us deliver these Islamic savage animals BACK into hell where they belong...)
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To: bybybill
I will admit it, WOMEN DO NOT BELONG IN COMBAT, may not be PC, but the truth is the truth

Agreed. No civilized country puts women or children in combat. Call me sexist, neanderthal, luddite, bigot or whatever I don't care. I'm a conservative, a traditionalist, and value women more highly than to put them in harms way.

29 posted on 03/29/2003 12:08:44 AM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: JMack
In the case of the twelve soldiers, reports had them led away peacefully, and then suddenly a bunch of them are shot dead. It is entirely possible the blonde 19 year old girl shown below was attacked, and some of the guys tried to intervene, getting themselves, and maybe her killed in the chaos.

A possible scenario.

30 posted on 03/29/2003 12:35:39 AM PST by Dajjal
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To: PuNcH
Anyone who looks at the pictures of shoshana and lynch has to be insane to think they belonged in that kind of danger.

It's just as reasonable to say that nobody belongs in that kind of danger. And yet, brave young men and women volunteer to be soldiers. I doubt if it is any easier for a man to be brutalized than it would be for a woman to be brutalzed.

It is not that a woman's pain is worse, but that OUR pain as observers is worse to see woman captured in battle.

31 posted on 03/29/2003 12:39:05 AM PST by powderhorn
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To: Caesar Soze
I was in ROTC years ago. Never active military. Totally irrelevant to these observations.

I feel rather fatherly discussing these things with you, but...

Male/Female relationships create dynamics. Look around you in your classes and on campus. Do you see the great pursuit going on? The same dynamics will occur in military situations, perhaps more so due to stress and loneliness.

Are you so clinical that you need to refer to stats for understanding the earth beneath your feet?

What women do NOT bring to a combat situation are the masculine qualities of strength, agression and team cohesion. Ask yourself why no female compete with males in organized sports unless under the protective sanctions of legal and administrative edicts. Truth is, men and women ARE different. The statistics on that would be nearly 100%.

History ought to be your judge since brass can be changed with the whim of a single administration like the Krinton Kriminals.

Tanker and pilot are still subjected to the problems and consequences of combat. Besides, there are more than enough men to fill those jobs.

No more need to justify the PC tack. Go to bed like a good lad.
32 posted on 03/29/2003 12:41:29 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Caesar Soze
Why are so many civilian commentators convinced that women are not capable of assessing and accepting risk?

According to the article, Spec. Johnson joined the army to be a cook.

33 posted on 03/29/2003 12:53:27 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: Dajjal
bump
34 posted on 03/29/2003 3:48:58 AM PST by expatguy
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To: Dajjal
WOULD SOMEONE ANSWER THIS ONE SIMPLE QUESTION FOR ME???

OK...Women get into the military by meeting physical criteria that is ***something*** less than men have to meet. Correct?

Yet...They qualify to serve in ***many*** of the same positions as these men. Obviously there are a number of positions that women aren't allowed-in. Correct?

Now my question...

Why can't men, who did NOT meet the the "Men's Criteria" simply meet the "Women's Criteria" and then serve with the same restrictions?

Can anyone answer that simple question? I know the hypocritical feminazis who push "Women in the military" REFUSE too.

35 posted on 03/29/2003 4:13:36 AM PST by The Lake City Gar
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To: The Lake City Gar
Reason? Political correctness.

You are correct - this is a blatant case of sexual discrimination when the men cannot use the built-in 'gender-equality' elevators for their use.

If this rational was employed in current social(ist) experiments, there would be virtually no women's anything in sports. These mechanisms are patently bogus tools that the Left uses to inflict their blind sense of 'fairness' on a society that hasn't the gonads needed to keep its own survival in mind.

The day may come when ship Captains actually have a 'feelings' officer on the bridge for input about the emotional state of their enemies. Then we can dialog and communicate. Then the sexual roles will drop away and we'll all live in a better world full of opportunity for you 'n' me...

Good grief - I'm making myself sick.
36 posted on 03/29/2003 6:54:21 AM PST by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: nopardons
Some of these equivocaters are too brainwashed to deal with or they simply love the contrairian view regardless. This war is going to open a lot of eyes over this sore topic for the Quioxtic tomfoolery it is and hopefully will become "was".

BTW....I thought it was "Kaiser Soze"?
37 posted on 03/29/2003 7:21:10 AM PST by wardaddy (G-d speed our fighters!)
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To: wardaddy
BTW....I thought it was "Kaiser Soze"?

LOL

38 posted on 03/29/2003 8:03:17 AM PST by Tribune7
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To: WorkingClassFilth
The day may come when ship Captains actually have a 'feelings' officer on the bridge for input about the emotional state of their enemies.

Counceler Troi?

39 posted on 03/29/2003 8:08:54 AM PST by The Lake City Gar
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To: PuNcH
both good capable women but there are more appropriate places for them.

What happens with women in combat zones where they can't bathe for over a month or women POWs captured by cruel Islamics when it's "that time of the month"? There are good reasons women of child-bearing age shouldn't be in combat zones.

40 posted on 03/29/2003 8:38:04 AM PST by FITZ
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