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To: vannrox
I keep reading suppositions that denote time a quality when it is no more than an observance.

Time is nothing more than measurement relative to observation.

14 posted on 03/28/2003 6:10:39 PM PST by freedom9
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To: freedom9
Time is nothing more than measurement relative to observation.

In everyday terms, the measurement of time compares the duration of the clocked event relative to an agreed-upon standard, such as the motion of the earth, etc.

16 posted on 03/28/2003 6:14:13 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: freedom9
Time is nothing more than measurement relative to observation.

You are incorrect. Time is a necessary component of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics. Our attempts to measure time are arbitrary, as a "second" is no more a universal constant than is a meter. But the flow of time is a consequence of the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, as entropy would have no meaning if time was a human "invention" or simple product of human observation.

Second, the motion of any body within a uniform gravitational field can be best described as that path that takes the longest proper time, or, from another perspective, an object in a gravitational field always moves from one place to another so that a clock carried on it gives a longer time than it would on any other possible trajectory. So regardless of any units you use to measure it, time does have a real existance outside of observation, because it directly effects the behavior of systems without any observation necessary (the planets falling towards an unknown sun behave differently than an object in the Earth's gravitational field, regardless of whether anyone "measures" anything.

Your declaration might have been true if time was a constant, but, like all physical quantities, it is variable. Electricity is not simply a "measurement," even though the units we use to measure electricity are arbitrary and our measurements usually are only of a difference in electrical potential (just like time is measured in differences). Read up on space-time theory and relativity theory and you will see that you are quite mistaken. Time is a quality all its own...

53 posted on 03/28/2003 7:13:02 PM PST by Charles H. (The_r0nin) (See, all those years of Anglo-Saxon and Old Icelandic paid off...)
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To: freedom9
"I keep reading suppositions that denote time a quality when it is no more than an observance."

Have you read Julian Barbour's The End of Time?

I read it twice and still don't understand it.

One of my interests is the question of time, its nature.

I 'convinced' myself via a somewhat difficult-to-follow internal debate that "the passage of time is an illusion."

Rudy Rucker once asked Kurt Godel 'what causes the illusion of the flow of time?' Godel answered obliquely, but did not reject the question as nonsensical.

The more I 'study' time, the more confused I become. There is a deep mystery here. I wonder if humans can ever discover the true nature of time.

--Boris

113 posted on 03/28/2003 9:16:07 PM PST by boris (Education is always painful; pain is always educational)
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To: freedom9
" Time is nothing more than measurement relative to observation."

Durn! Guess I'll have to trade in my watch for a tape measure now.

Boss: "Hey, Mort! You're two feet late for work."

Mort: "Sorry, Boss. My son left my tape measure at the drag strip."

122 posted on 03/28/2003 9:28:01 PM PST by Eastbound
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To: freedom9
Time is nothing more than measurement relative to observation.

I too have often wondered if time is truly a "dimension" or merely the result of "activity" such as an electron revolving around its nucleus and expanding that concept outward from there. Once there is activity or motion of some sort time then becomes only how we observe it and measure it. I’ve read excellent discussions about this on Space.com.

202 posted on 03/29/2003 10:17:40 PM PST by WRhine
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