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So this is Plan B, the 'Hail Mary' play from the North (facing defeat US forces are desperate)
Irish Independent ^ | Rupert Cornwell in Washington

Posted on 03/28/2003 7:36:48 AM PST by dead

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To: dead
It's always good to get lots of perspectives and a lot of this seems pretty reasonable.

Rumsfield will always be tarred by wanting, on Sept. 10. '01, to transfer $600 million from counter terror to missile defense, of all the useless boondoggles we fund.

And he still hasn't shown he knows what he is doing.

Too many people on FR go all glass-eyed just because the guy has a colonel carrying his briefcase.

Walt

21 posted on 03/28/2003 7:49:13 AM PST by WhiskeyPapa (Be copy now to men of grosser blood and teach them how to war!)
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To: dead
It's most certainly true that we lost a lot when the Turkey plan blew up in our faces. A likely consequence is that the operation will take longer-- going the long way to get a northern front. Our victory is just as certain because the three front game plan is still on. The rest of the article is silly.
22 posted on 03/28/2003 7:50:12 AM PST by GraniteStateConservative (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: m1911
I remember Rumsfeld saying back in November that he didn't think the war would be over in five days, or even five weeks, but more like five months.

Nobody, absolutely nobody, in this administration ever tried to sell this as a cakewalk, and these "journalists" know it.

23 posted on 03/28/2003 7:50:31 AM PST by dead
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To: dead
I wouldn't expect any kind of astute military analysis from a country that hasn't won a war since St. Patrick drove out the snakes in the 5th century.
24 posted on 03/28/2003 7:51:14 AM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Blood of Tyrants
To read this drivel, one would thing that Saddam's forces are encamped around Washington.

Huh, do you mean they aren't?? Sheesh, I'd better stop listening to ABC and stop reading the NT tIMES.

25 posted on 03/28/2003 7:51:19 AM PST by 1Old Pro (The Dems are self-destructing before our eyes, How Great is That !)
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To: dead
This left wing Clymer must get his military advice from Ritter the pervert! He and Ritter probably go to Burger Kings to hit on teenagers (boys and girls) and discuss how the US is failing in Iraq.

I wonder how much Saddam paid him for this POS article?
26 posted on 03/28/2003 7:51:31 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
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To: dead
BTW, I saw some highlights from Iraqi television on Fox yesterday. It was a music video of some fat guy with a rifle droning like a goat, while enveloped in gloria-gaynor-roller-disco video special effects.

I saw that video. Laughed my [insert name of favorite body part here] off. Funniest thing I've seen in a long time.

27 posted on 03/28/2003 7:51:39 AM PST by DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet ("Eleven. Exactly. One louder." - Nigel Tufnel)
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To: dead
The left set this whole thing up. NOBODY from the administration said it was going to be a short journey. NOBODY. It was the press. So now, after lying to us, they're using it to their advantage and making it look like we're failing. WHY do they want us to lose so much? It's outrageous. No, it's sad,
28 posted on 03/28/2003 7:52:16 AM PST by Hildy
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To: dead
They're stuck in such a circle-jerk over the "major setbacks" that they can't even take time to check their own old articles, I suppose.
29 posted on 03/28/2003 7:52:34 AM PST by m1911
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To: dead
Admittedly, friendly fire apart, US and British casualties have been minimal. But the guerrilla hit-and-run tactics, coupled with the blinding sandstorms of the last two days, have slowed the advance.

This is the important stuff. The rest is a load of negative, agenda-driven drivel. Why even give time to this BS? Dead enemy bodies are dead enemy bodies. We were not suddenly struck dumb after 1991 and after Somalia. At the moment the Medina division of the Iraqi Republican guards is being pleasantly chewed up, now at apparently 2/3rds effectiveness heading towards 50%.

30 posted on 03/28/2003 7:53:13 AM PST by AndrewC
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To: dead
These people are such jokes. LOL
31 posted on 03/28/2003 7:53:44 AM PST by KSCITYBOY
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To: dead
This one needed a BARF alert.
32 posted on 03/28/2003 7:54:54 AM PST by Freemeorkillme
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To: dead
Has anyone else out there noticed within the past 2 days how the rhetoric of the press has been racheted to make it look as though the U.S. is in dire straits in Iraqi? Is this dis-information to draw the elite guards/Saddam out? If it is, then fine. But if it isn't, then I'm mad as hell! Listening to Don Imus (my bad) and a reporter by the name of Jim Melchevic(sp?) who was so desperately trying his best to convince Imus that the U.S. was in really, really big trouble and there would be more trouble to come! I'm upset at this tripe reporting because when I listened to G. Gordon Liddy with another reporter, the reporter stated that the U.S/Britain war campaign was going really well and was on schedule. He also said not to listen to the rhetoric from other reporters about how badly the U.S. was doing.
33 posted on 03/28/2003 7:54:54 AM PST by smiley
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To: dead
last minute all or nothing American football game plan to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

Scott Ritter has an Irish cousin?

34 posted on 03/28/2003 7:55:20 AM PST by Cachelot (~ In waters near you ~)
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To: m1911; All
Here is how another left wing clymer has been exposed, the light in his loafer, fairy perfumed Clintoonian prince/general, Clark. Clark is another paid liar who screams about how we are losing the war on the Clinton Non News nightly.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/877952/posts
35 posted on 03/28/2003 7:55:54 AM PST by Grampa Dave ("Those who are kind to the cruel end up being cruel to the kind!")
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To: WhiskeyPapa
a lot of this seems pretty reasonable.

Yeah, we're desperate, clueless, and have a moron as Secretary of Defense. That's a different perspective, for sure.

36 posted on 03/28/2003 7:56:19 AM PST by Dog Gone
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To: the_doc
Let's see; we have less than 50 soliders dead and we are now at the point of a "Hail Mary"?!?

Perhaps the truth is more than some people can handle.
37 posted on 03/28/2003 7:57:31 AM PST by CCWoody
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To: dyed_in_the_wool
Good points

Further analysis ...
Why is killing these terrorists/technicals/irregulars/thugs/enforcers by the 100s a bad thing?

Looks to me that harvesting these killers is a good thing. Otherwise we will just need to deal with them afterwards.

snooker
38 posted on 03/28/2003 7:58:25 AM PST by snooker
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To: dead
There is just a hint of the Hail Mary play about Plan B. That last minute all or nothing American football game plan to snatch victory from the jaws of defeat.

This guy has his analogies mixed up. He should have said the US is planning on running up the score in a game that was over as soon the second half started.

39 posted on 03/28/2003 7:58:54 AM PST by SubSailor
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To: dead
Thought a Hail Mary was completly differant thing in war than football. It is a long pass, often at the end of half or the end of a game in football. A diversion of very large size in war. If the enemy doesn't see it, they might as well say their Hail Mary's.
40 posted on 03/28/2003 7:58:54 AM PST by ItsTheMediaStupid
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