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American Legal System Is Corrupt Beyond Recognition, Judge Tells Harvard Law School
MassNews.com ^ | March 7 2003 | Geraldine Hawkins

Posted on 03/27/2003 5:04:29 AM PST by Brian Allen

By Geraldine Hawkins March 7, 2003

The American legal system has been corrupted almost beyond recognition, Judge Edith Jones of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, told the Federalist Society of Harvard Law School on February 28. She said that the question of what is morally right is routinely sacrificed to what is politically expedient. The change has come because legal philosophy has descended to nihilism

"The integrity of law, its religious roots, its transcendent quality are disappearing. I saw the movie 'Chicago' with Richard Gere the other day. That's the way the public thinks about lawyers," she told the students.

"The first 100 years of American lawyers were trained on Blackstone, who wrote that: 'The law of nature ? dictated by God himself ? is binding ? in all counties and at all times; no human laws are of any validity if contrary to this; and such of them as are valid derive all force and all their authority ? from this original.' The Framers created a government of limited power with this understanding of the rule of law - that it was dependent on transcendent religious obligation," said Jones.

She said that the business about all of the Founding Fathers being deists is "just wrong," or "way overblown." She says they believed in "faith and reason," and this did not lead to intolerance.

"This is not a prescription for intolerance or narrow sectarianism," she continued, "for unalienable rights were given by God to all our fellow citizens. Having lost sight of the moral and religious foundations of the rule of law, we are vulnerable to the destruction of our freedom, our equality before the law and our self-respect. It is my fervent hope that this new century will experience a revival of the original understanding of the rule of law and its roots.

"The answer is a recovery of moral principle, the sine qua non of an orderly society. Post 9/11, many events have been clarified. It is hard to remain a moral relativist when your own people are being killed."

According to the judge, the first contemporary threat to the rule of law comes from within the legal system itself.

Alexis de Tocqueville, author of Democracy in America and one of the first writers to observe the United States from the outside looking-in, "described lawyers as a natural aristocracy in America," Jones told the students. "The intellectual basis of their profession and the study of law based on venerable precedents bred in them habits of order and a taste for formalities and predictability." As Tocqueville saw it, "These qualities enabled attorneys to stand apart from the passions of the majority. Lawyers were respected by the citizens and able to guide them and moderate the public's whims. Lawyers were essential to tempering the potential tyranny of the majority.

"Some lawyers may still perceive our profession in this flattering light, but to judge from polls and the tenor of lawyer jokes, I doubt the public shares Tocqueville's view anymore, and it is hard for us to do so.

"The legal aristocracy have shed their professional independence for the temptations and materialism associated with becoming businessmen. Because law has become a self-avowed business, pressure mounts to give clients the advice they want to hear, to pander to the clients' goal through deft manipulation of the law. ? While the business mentality produces certain benefits, like occasional competition to charge clients lower fees, other adverse effects include advertising and shameless self-promotion. The legal system has also been wounded by lawyers who themselves no longer respect the rule of law,"

The judge quoted Kenneth Starr as saying, "It is decidedly unchristian to win at any cost," and added that most lawyers agree with him.

However, "An increasingly visible and vocal number apparently believe that the strategic use of anger and incivility will achieve their aims. Others seem uninhibited about making misstatements to the court or their opponents or destroying or falsifying evidence," she claimed. "When lawyers cannot be trusted to observe the fair processes essential to maintaining the rule of law, how can we expect the public to respect the process?"

Lawsuits Do Not Bring 'Social Justice'

Another pernicious development within the legal system is the misuse of lawsuits, according to her.

"We see lawsuits wielded as weapons of revenge," she says. "Lawsuits are brought that ultimately line the pockets of lawyers rather than their clients. ? The lawsuit is not the best way to achieve social justice, and to think it is, is a seriously flawed hypothesis. There are better ways to achieve social goals than by going into court."

Jones said that employment litigation is a particularly fertile field for this kind of abuse.

"Seldom are employment discrimination suits in our court supported by direct evidence of race or sex-based animosity. Instead, the courts are asked to revisit petty interoffice disputes and to infer invidious motives from trivial comments or work-performance criticism. Recrimination, second-guessing and suspicion plague the workplace when tenuous discrimination suits are filed ? creating an atmosphere in which many corporate defendants are forced into costly settlements because they simply cannot afford to vindicate their positions.

"While the historical purpose of the common law was to compensate for individual injuries, this new litigation instead purports to achieve redistributive social justice. Scratch the surface of the attorneys' self-serving press releases, however, and one finds how enormously profitable social redistribution is for those lawyers who call themselves 'agents of change.'"

Jones wonders, "What social goal is achieved by transferring millions of dollars to the lawyers, while their clients obtain coupons or token rebates."

The judge quoted George Washington who asked in his Farewell Address, "Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths ? in courts of justice?"

Similarly, asked Jones, how can a system founded on law survive if the administrators of the law daily display their contempt for it?

"Lawyers' private morality has definite public consequences," she said. "Their misbehavior feeds on itself, encouraging disrespect and debasement of the rule of law as the public become encouraged to press their own advantage in a system they perceive as manipulatable."

The second threat to the rule of law comes from government, which is encumbered with agencies that have made the law so complicated that it is difficult to decipher and often contradicts itself.

"Agencies have an inherent tendency to expand their mandate," says Jones. "At the same time, their decision-making often becomes parochial and short-sighted. They may be captured by the entities that are ostensibly being regulated, or they may pursue agency self-interest at the expense of the public welfare. Citizens left at the mercy of selective and unpredictable agency action have little recourse."

Jones recommends three books by Philip Howard: The Death of Common Sense, The Collapse of the Common Good and The Lost Art of Drawing the Line, which further delineate this problem.

The third and most comprehensive threat to the rule of law arises from contemporary legal philosophy.

"Throughout my professional life, American legal education has been ruled by theories like positivism, the residue of legal realism, critical legal studies, post-modernism and other philosophical fashions," said Jones. "Each of these theories has a lot to say about the 'is' of law, but none of them addresses the 'ought,' the moral foundation or direction of law."

Jones quoted Roger C. Cramton, a law professor at Cornell University, who wrote in the 1970s that "the ordinary religion of the law school classroom" is "a moral relativism tending toward nihilism, a pragmatism tending toward an amoral instrumentalism, a realism tending toward cynicism, an individualism tending toward atomism, and a faith in reason and democratic processes tending toward mere credulity and idolatry."

No 'Great Awakening' In Law School Classrooms

The judge said ruefully, "There has been no Great Awakening in the law school classroom since those words were written." She maintained that now it is even worse because faith and democratic processes are breaking down.

"The problem with legal philosophy today is that it reflects all too well the broader post-Enlightenment problem of philosophy," Jones said. She quoted Ernest Fortin, who wrote in Crisis magazine: "The whole of modern thought ? has been a series of heroic attempts to reconstruct a world of human meaning and value on the basis of ? our purely mechanistic understanding of the universe."

Jones said that all of these threats to the rule of law have a common thread running through them, and she quoted Professor Harold Berman to identify it: "The traditional Western beliefs in the structural integrity of law, its ongoingness, its religious roots, its transcendent qualities, are disappearing not only from the minds of law teachers and law students but also from the consciousness of the vast majority of citizens, the people as a whole; and more than that, they are disappearing from the law itself. The law itself is becoming more fragmented, more subjective, geared more to expediency and less to morality. ? The historical soil of the Western legal tradition is being washed away ? and the tradition itself is threatened with collapse."

Judge Jones concluded with another thought from George Washington: "Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness - these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens."

Upon taking questions from students, Judge Jones recommended Michael Novak's book, On Two Wings: Humble Faith and Common Sense.

"Natural law is not a prescriptive way to solve problems," Jones said. "It is a way to look at life starting with the Ten Commandments."

Natural law provides "a framework for government that permits human freedom," Jones said. "If you take that away, what are you left with? Bodily senses? The will of the majority? The communist view? What is it - 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his need?' I don't even remember it, thank the Lord," she said to the amusement of the students.

"I am an unabashed patriot - I think the United States is the healthiest society in the world at this point in time," Jones said, although she did concede that there were other ways to accommodate the rule of law, such as constitutional monarchy.

"Our legal system is way out of kilter," she said. "The tort litigating system is wreaking havoc. Look at any trials that have been conducted on TV. These lawyers are willing to say anything."

Potential Nominee to Supreme Court

Judge Edith Jones has been mentioned as a potential nominee to the Supreme Court in the Bush administration, but does not relish the idea.

"Have you looked at what people have to go through who are nominated for federal appointments? They have to answer questions like, 'Did you pay your nanny taxes?' 'Is your yard man illegal?'

"In those circumstances, who is going to go out to be a federal judge?"

Judge Edith H. Jones has a B.A. from Cornell University and a J.D. from the University of Texas School of Law. She was appointed to the Fifth Circuit by President Ronald Reagan in 1985. Her office is in the U.S. Courthouse in Houston.

The Federalist Society was founded in 1982 when a group of law students from Harvard, Stanford, the University of Chicago and Yale organized a symposium on federalism at Yale Law School. These students were unhappy with the academic climate on their campuses for some of the reasons outlined by Judge Jones. The Federalist Society was created to be a forum for a wider range of legal viewpoints than they were hearing in the course of their studies.

From the four schools mentioned above, the Society has grown to include over 150 law school chapters. The Harvard chapter, with over 250 members, is one of the nation's largest and most active. They seek to contribute to civilized dialogue at the Law School by providing a libertarian and conservative voice on campus and by sponsoring speeches and debates on a wide range of legal and policy issues.

The Federalist Society consists of libertarians and conservatives interested in the current state of the legal profession. It is founded on three principles: 1) the state exists to preserve freedom, 2) the separation of governmental powers is central to our Constitution and 3) it is emphatically the province and duty of the judiciary to state what the law is, not what it should be.

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To: Brian Allen
It was incredibly inspiring to hear this stated. It echoed my personal philosophy word for word.
21 posted on 03/27/2003 6:48:36 AM PST by Tamzee ("Sabotage" and "Charade"....no French translation necessary.)
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To: Mamzelle
At present, lawyers bring class actions that deliver pennies to the mass plaintiffs, but through "volume" make millions for the lawyers. You could start by making this illegal--the recent CD class action comes to mind. This is just one example in the civil courts.

Your oversimplification of this issue is quite common. Indeed, class action suits due make more money for the individual lawyers, than the plaintiffs. Of course, you completely discount the chilling effect on consumers that making class-action suits "illegal" would have.

Next time you have a problem with a defective part in your car, see how well you do in a lawsuit against GM when you are payinging your lawyer individually, and GM hires lawyers like me by the dozens to bury you.

As a defense lawyer, I agree that far too many seemingly frivolous class-actions are brought. Indeed, Courts need to be more vigilant in applying the rule 11 standard. Fortunately, however, the rules are drafted to permit a very liberal reading. The purpose is to insure that any suit, with even a shred of merit, can see the light of day before being arbitrarily struck.

The death of class action suits would leave large corporations completely unchecked. In such an absence, the government would have to play an increasing role in the regulatory world to protect consumers. Pick your poisen. Third-party suits that act as a natural market regulator, or true government regulation of big business?

22 posted on 03/27/2003 6:59:39 AM PST by Iron Eagle
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To: cynicom; JohnHuang2; MeeknMing
<< ..... the need is to stop appointing lawyers as judges ..... One of the foremost noted supreme court justices was not a lawyer. >>

Many of the English-Speaking world's very finest judges have been other than lawyers.

I always find it difficult, given the self-perpetuating politocracy's preoccupation with [Getting along without?] ethics and with [Dodging charges of?] conflict of interest, to reconcile that lawyers are permitted to be politicians.

Let alone be "judges."
23 posted on 03/27/2003 7:20:20 AM PST by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: Bluntpoint; jude24
<< If accountants had the same mentality as lawyers, they could hire themselves out to the highest bidder and argue all day for their client that 2 + 2 = 3 >>

If accountants had the same mentality as lawyers and hired themselves out to the highest bidder and argued all day for their client that 2 + 2 = 3 -- wouldn't we call them "psychologists."
24 posted on 03/27/2003 7:22:47 AM PST by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: Cicero
<< It's a miracle that Harvard invited this judge to speak. >>

Amen to that!

[Guess God is alive and well -- and on the job -- after all, eh?]

HehHehHeh ..........
25 posted on 03/27/2003 7:24:39 AM PST by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: Tamsey
<< It [Is] incredibly inspiring to hear this stated. It [Echoes] my personal philosophy word for word. >>

Isn't it, though?

Me too!
26 posted on 03/27/2003 7:26:00 AM PST by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: Brian Allen
bttt
27 posted on 03/27/2003 7:29:14 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Brian Allen
Have a family member that is a judge. Corrupt as they come. Joe Sixpack with the "wrong" lawyer goes to the slammer. Mr. Bigshot with the "right" lawyer, walks.
28 posted on 03/27/2003 7:32:04 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Bigun
Thank you -- Bookmarked!
29 posted on 03/27/2003 7:32:10 AM PST by Brian Allen (I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny ....)
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To: Brian Allen
The American legal system has been corrupted almost beyond recognition, Judge Edith Jones of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fifth Circuit, told the Federalist Society of Harvard Law School on February 28. She said that the question of what is morally right

What does courts deciding the question of what is morally right have to do with federalism? Leave morality to the churches, and restrict courts to applying the laws and Constitution rather than "interpreting" them.

30 posted on 03/27/2003 7:34:08 AM PST by MrLeRoy ("That government is best which governs least.")
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To: Diogenesis
Everything you have stated is the point of the author's speech.

Someone has to whine, as you describe it, to draw attention to the problem.

31 posted on 03/27/2003 8:35:05 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Brian Allen
Hit me with a feather and knock me over!

What a tremendous speech.

I'm glad to learn of the Federalist Society, and pray that it will flourish and bear fruit for the future of Law in this country.

I'll also pray for a Great Awakening in the Law Schools of this country.

And that God will smite the Democrats for fillibustering the nominations of those jurists who would return the Law to its intended basis.

32 posted on 03/27/2003 8:46:16 AM PST by happygrl
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To: Brian Allen
BTTT
33 posted on 03/27/2003 8:46:39 AM PST by Liz
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To: Kevin Curry
"How about the Enron accountants who argued 2+2=$111
million?"

Legal's memo to accounting:

"$111 million? Did you mean billion?"


34 posted on 03/27/2003 9:49:56 AM PST by Bluntpoint
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To: cynicom
>>>Basically, the need is to stop appointing lawyers as judges<<<

You are so right!! We must also stop electing lawyers as judges, at the local and state judiciary level, and create a pool of non lawyer judges for the Federal system to appoint from.
35 posted on 03/27/2003 10:13:31 AM PST by Valpal1 (We will sing in the golden city, in the new Jerusalem.)
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To: Valpal1
Lawyers have become manipulators of the law, for personal profit. Justice has fallen by the wayside. As an extension of this "manipulation", far too many congressmen are lawyers.

A doctor cannot manufacture a sick person for profit, a lawyer goes looking for "victims". Bad profession.

36 posted on 03/27/2003 10:21:40 AM PST by cynicom
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To: Iron Eagle
It's all very well for a lawyer to don the Superman cape when it comes his notions of how he "protects" the consumer, when the rapid expansion of the numbers of lawyers has led to staggering, and hidden, "lawyer taxes" in all the merchandise we buy, cars especially. Might be interesting to know how many "consumers'" are being protected from dangerous new cars simply because they can't afford the 20% lawyer surcharge and don't buy them to begin with! Our freedoms, our "pursuits of happiness" contract all around us every day because of the unregulated and unchecked frivolities of litigation.

When you take your family to Orlando this spring or summer, know that the major trauma center has had to downgrade its Level status, and you won't be able to get a neurosurgeon quickly because litigation has driven them away. And the nearby Florida ERs rec'ing the Orlando injured are starting to crack under the stress, too. You might rather, someday, have a doc ready to sew your backbone back together than your much-vaunted, lawyer-driven "consumer protections." Who'll protect you when you LACK having that help in the operating room when you need it? Lawyers? How I wish they *could* be help personally liable for the situation they've created...

Perhaps the Twin Towers might have held together a little longer if it wasn't for the lawyers' ravenous insantity on the issue of asbestos. Perhaps not--we'll never know. All we know is the lack of availability of a pretty darn good fire protector--because no builder can risk using common sense in choosing his materials. The juries cannot be trusted, and the lawyers exploit them mightily.

Now I'm laughing at the homeowners in Texas who thought they could abuse their insurance (mold) and now can't buy houses because they can't find insurance to get their mortgages!

On the less vital end, try finding riding lessons for children, or any kind of sport for kids other than the rather boring ones that are so "safe." I could go on and on...

37 posted on 03/27/2003 10:54:41 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: Mamzelle
How I wish they *could* be help personally liable for the situation they've created...

Your blame is misplaced, I fear. Obviously, i do not defend alll lawyers, and I certainly do not defend all Plaintiff's lawyers. But, most of the rising costs of health care can be attributed to, in order:

1) managed care (regulation forcing health care providers to charge non-market prices;

2) Federal, state, and local mandates that force facilities to provide patient care to the uninsured, and to illegal immigrants

3) Rising litigation costs (Brought about by two different factors:

a) Plaintiffs willing to sue for anything, and juries willing to award damages for new and suspect injuries. (Don't forget that in EVERY case for damages, an expert DOCTOR must testify to injuries. This includes using phony psuedo-science for make believe injuries.) Without those DOCTORS as experts, no case can be won. Of course, without willing plaintiffs to sue, no case can be heard.

b) Insurance companies that settle frivolous claims to avoid trying meritorious cases. They settle a claim without a practitioners' consent, and then they jack up the rates on that practitioner.

4) Fraud by unscupulous doctors and health care providers that double claim, triple claim, or make bogus claims. (This is another net effect of creating huge managed care companies)

In fact, everyone blames the lawyers, but they have many willing accomplices. Most willing, unfortunately, are uneducated juries. Where I practice, everyone knows that if you have a Plaintiff's case in D.C., you have a good shot at real money. If you have the exact same case in Northern Virginia, you might not even file it. Why? Not because defense counsel is any tougher in Northern Va, it is because a much more educated jury pool is far less forgiving of frivolous suits.

I have never won or lost a case based on my opinion as a lawyer. It's your opinion, sitting in that jury box, that almost always is the deciding factor. (Some crappy cases can be thrown-out by the judge before getting to a jury).

The problem may not be us (lawyers) it may be you (jurors). Like I said, though, my clients are fortune 500 companies and I defend them. So, if you want to kill the class-action suits. They will be quite pleased. Frankly, these companies would rather be paying our corporate boys to find and make business, rather than us litigators in defending their business. (Corporate/transactional stuff is more profitable to us as lawyers as well)

38 posted on 03/27/2003 11:47:51 AM PST by Iron Eagle
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To: Iron Eagle
Counselor, I did not accuse lawyers of being the major drive in the costs of medical care. They can certainly be blamed for doing Orlando out of first-tier trauma care, and probably second-tier very shortly. Other cities, states, and communities are falling also.

The rise in the cost of medical care is many-pronged, and the one prong least discussed is that the better it is, the more it costs. Recently there was a poster on FR asking advice about gall bladder disease. Gall bladder surgery is a big success story--it is a plain vanilla operation, used to be done by slicing through a muscle and recovery was slow. Now it's done with little incisions and this cool little camera that kind of crawls though your innards--recovery is very swift, pain and bad results lower. Unfortunately, that little camera makes the operation much more expensive--seems it costs more than a scalpel . Muliply that by lots of "successes."

Illegal aliens are a huge stress. Mentally ill. Drug abuse, also. (Meth labs, they are a'explodin'--) Compensation is down, and with it the hospital's ability to swap the costs from the unpaying to the paying. Add to that crippling malpractice insurance, and you better make sure your teenager takes part in no car wrecks, because your hospital is a car wreck, too.

39 posted on 03/27/2003 11:58:56 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: cynicom
Lawyers shouldn't even be referred to as part of a profession anymore. They are just another industry and the law is their raw material.

There was a ballot initiative in Texas a couple of election cycles ago to actually eliminate the Texas State Bar Association. That would be a great start.

40 posted on 03/28/2003 7:50:14 AM PST by Middle Man
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