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You know I have to hand it to the neocons, not a d#mn argument between the lot of you. I present my views, arguing against your wide brush label (a liberal tactic BTW), and I get called names. I would have thought an intelligent conservative would try to present an argument or find evidence disproving me. But then again, who said anything you're doing is conservative? You call for war and that somehow makes you the better than the rest of conservatives? As I said I support our troops and I was going to stay out of this out of respect for the war that's going on, but the inordinate amount of mudslinging that's happening, all in the name of nationalism (not patriotism that's for sure) that's happened over the past few days is ridiculous.

Frum did what he did when he did for a reason (beside the fact that he's a neocon liberal). The true conservatives that Frum despises did what any true conservative had the right to do. Disagree until war, but when war starts back the President and his decisions 100 percent. It's a good tactic, given, because he has them both ways. If they don't answer the pro-war, big government National Review wins because no one answered so the charges must be true. If they do, the pro-war, big government National Review comes up and says, 'See, we told you so!! We're more patriotic than they are'

What the childish National Review does not realize is that they've been tearing apart the 'conservative' party for over 30 years. Buckley has turned this into some sort of p@ssing contest between what he considers conservative and what the rest of the world considers conservative. And Republicans sit on the sidelines with their thumbs up their privates wondering why the Democrats keep winning the Senate for 40 years.

Buckley and his ilk have done a great disservice to the conservative party. How a newly nationalized citizen of whatever state he belongs to now from Canada can come down here and tell the citizens of the respective states what a conservative is and get anyone to listen, I'll never know. But it tells me a couple of things. Conservatives by and large aren't listening. He's having to go outside of the country to get his attack dogs and this newest little one bit off more than he can chew. Attacking an entire arm of the party and several respected men with a better reputation than introducing the jingle 'axis of evil' is not smart. It's ignorant and something I would expect of the lowest sort. Say a neocon that can't do anything more than call names

Attacking an entire arm of the party and several respected men with a better reputation than introducing the jingle 'axis of evil' is not smart.

Other than Novak, what paleo-con named by Frum is "respected"? Buchanan and Raimondo have become synonomous with Jew-baiting, Rockwell and Fleming despise this country, and Sam Francis tries to hide his bigotry behind "race studies."

You better look again. That's a pretty motley crew you're hangin' with.

What does the fact that Frum was born in Canada have to do with anything. What nerve does someone like Peter Brimelow have in coming to this country from somewhere much farther away and telling people who have been living longer here than he has and being citizens longer too that they are anti-American or that they are destroying the cultural fabric of our nation. Frum attended Yale and worked in the US for years among various conservative organizations. He recently became a citizen and more power to him. You know many liberals were born in the US, but the nation was not born in them. Thankfully Frum is different.