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1 posted on 03/25/2003 6:54:01 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: billbears
bump!
2 posted on 03/25/2003 7:00:07 PM PST by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
His vituperative attack on one of the nation's most respected conservative columnists marks the man as neither conservative nor intellectually respectable.

Frum should make an apology.

3 posted on 03/25/2003 7:01:16 PM PST by Longshanks
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To: GOPcapitalist
Sorry, David. This about more than the war on Iraq.

Paleos have a burr under their saddles about Israel, and, some of them, about Jews in general.

They also think we can just roll up the sidewalks and walk away from the rest of the world.

They're worthless on this war on terrorism. Absolutely worthless.

They think the Constitution is a suicide pact.

4 posted on 03/25/2003 7:03:27 PM PST by sinkspur
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self-BUMP for tomorrow
18 posted on 03/25/2003 7:54:12 PM PST by Constitution Day (An organizer of Raleigh's Rally For America [without any Clear Channel Cash])
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To: GOPcapitalist
Novak was opposing this nation's enemies before Frum was even born. One can question the man's judgment and sometimes even his facts, but to suggest that Novak is no different from the crypto-fascists and Marxists organizing "peace" rallies these days says a lot more about David Frum than it does about Bob Novak.

BUMP
26 posted on 03/25/2003 8:16:43 PM PST by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth......)
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To: GOPcapitalist; sinkspur
Let's hear what Frum had to say about this as well:

http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/diary032503.asp

MAR. 25, 2003: MEDIA NEWS

Howie Kurtz reports yesterday morning on my article about paleoconservatives in the print NR and on the reaction. If it weren’t a trademark violation, I’d say the piece was both fair and balanced.

There is a point that emerges in Kurtz’s careful story – and in some of the other commentary that is now appearing in print and on line – that does seem to me to call for response: the suggestion that my comments were somehow improper. Novak himself said that my article “poison[ed] the political discourse.”

I suppose I could reply that this is a very strange protest indeed from a man who has spent the past year insinuating that the Bush Administration’s Iraq policy is a Zionist plot against American interests.

But let’s deal with the substance of Novak’s complaint. Is it indeed “poisonous” to quote a writer’s words and hold him to account? Novak may genuinely think so. He has a habit of saying horrifying things and then exploding in rage when others venture to discuss them. Thus, on the November 24, 2001, edition of Capital Gang, he condemned Israel for killing Hamas leader Mahmoud Abu Hanoud. Margaret Carlson pointed out that Hanoud was after all a terrorist: He had organized, most recently, two suicide bombings in that had killed a total of 36 people, all civilians, many of them teenagers. Novak’s answer: “Well, why do you call him a terrorist? I mean, one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. They’re trying to get their own land.”

These words of Novak’s prompted former New York mayor Edward Koch to lodge a very respectful protest in a newspaper column and then, a year later, a rather less respectful protest in a radio commentary. In an interview with Bloomberg News, Novak described Koch’s protests as “filth.”

Today Novak is once again demanding exemption from the criticism he happily metes out to others.There’s a war on, you see, and it’s time for national unity. Just as Tom Daschle has rallied to the president, so the pro-war conservatives should rally to ... Bob Novak.

“Daschle,” Novak wrote in a Monday column in his Inside Report, “ended up following the old American custom of supporting the war once the shooting starts. Frum, on the other hand,chose that moment to begin shooting at ‘paleo-conservatives.’” Novak was irked by my NR cover story that connected his antiwar views to the blame-America politics of the paleoconservatives.

You can see why this no-criticism-of-Robert-Novak-during-wartime rule would appeal to the thin-skinned pundit. In fact, the rule could prove to be the one and only thing that yet might win Novak’s support for the war on terror.

In his Inside Report, Novak passionately repudiated the “paleoconservative” label. He said he “abhorred” the paleos’ “anti-semitic and racist” views. All he had ever done, he said, was question “an overly close identification of the U.S. government with Israel.”

You can understand his point of view: things have come to a pretty pass indeed when a journalist cannot write that the U.S. government is secretly controlled by a cabal of war-mongering, um, neoconservatives without being accused of anti-semitism - and predicting that every action and decision of the U.S. government will end in total disaster without being called a defeatist.

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Frum also raises a valid point: It seems Novak can dish out criticism, but he can't TAKE it.

He asks good questions in the diary in response. And I, for one, have to admit that Frum's pretty close to the mark again. I suppose that makes me some neo-con Bushbot. Guess I'll just have support an agenda that makes sense and let the criticism come.
27 posted on 03/25/2003 8:27:47 PM PST by hchutch ("But tonight we get EVEN!" - Ice-T)
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To: GOPcapitalist
Careful David Keene they will smear you next like they tried to do to Frank and anyone else that sees through the lies.
62 posted on 03/25/2003 10:25:00 PM PST by TLBSHOW (The gift is to see the truth......)
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To: GOPcapitalist; Poohbah; Dog Gone; hchutch
Then David Keene is a fool for believing in their misleading, hypocritical and after the fact cheap talk of support.

Just because someone claims to be a "true patriot" or "liberty loving" doesn't make it true. The biggest gasbags on this board are precisely of this breed.

78 posted on 03/26/2003 10:28:28 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine (Paleocons, the French and the UN - Excusing corrupt power mad dictators for decades)
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