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Finishing up this whole thread, occurred to me, in watching the movie the other night, "American Flyers", guy complaining, that cause of politics, the cyclist missed the Olympics, that year the US boycotted, must have been 1980. Maybe more to the statement, "I'm an athlete and that's all." This pertained to many athletes, who felt robbed, due to events under Carter's watch. Do we want to rob the athlete's??

I Urge anyone who really cares to pursue, more conversation on this, to check out the forums under community at "www.bicycling.com."

Marriage woes aside, this guy overcame testicular cancer, wins 4 TdFs straight, his acknowledged goal is to be the first to win 6, not what even some legends have done.

And on the topic of legends, Eddie Merckx? This Belgian got punched at a Tour de France by a spectator, so what do we know?

Lastly, I like Lance, but check out the record books, for how many and so many cycling events there are out there, before one calls him the best ever. I'm sure not judging, just honest appraisal.

And, and, back to marriage woes, I see it, he won four TdF's (Tour de France's) married to his wife. I wouldn't want to change one thing. IMHO all I said.

Lastly, I like Lance, but check out the record books, for how many and so many cycling events there are out there, before one calls him the best ever. I'm sure not judging, just honest appraisal

Yeah, it's hard to say that Lance is the greatest ever just because he's likely to win TDF #5 (Who's gonna beat him this year? Does Ullrich even have a team?), and probably #6. But he's changed the game by just concentrating all his training on winning that one event. Guys like Merckx or Fausto Coppi (my historic fave) raced every race, and tried to win them all or blew up trying. Lance has heart, there's no doubt, but there's a certain coldness about how he goes about racing. On the other hand, one of the finest moments I've ever seen in sports is a couple of years ago, when Ullrich ran off the road and Lance waited for him to get back on his bike and catch up before they started racing again.

I Urge anyone who really cares to pursue, more conversation on this, to check out the forums under community at "www.bicycling.com."

Oddly enough, that's the other forum, besides FR, that I check out regularly (with occasional stops at DU to shake my head at the stupidity of some people.)