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>>I disagree.....I believe they would be shocked at what has happened to "public" schools.<<

The model we used for as the basis for our own public school system on comes from Prussia. The stated goal of the system was to create workers for the factories, soldiers who would mindlessly follow orders, and citizens who would be easy to control.

>>I think teachers that taught in the 40's, 50's would be shocked as well....<<

You are probably correct. However, certainly what constitutes a good citizen, a good worker or a good soldier is swayed by the culture at large. If we were to look at it unbiasedly I am sure we could say that the 40's and 50's did the same just that the values were different (and more closely aligned with our own so maybe a little harder to see.)

The interesting thing is that the children of the 40s and 50s became the anti-war, anti-authoritarian hippies of the 60s- not exactly the goal. Could we be so lucky as to have the students of these generations rebel against their teachers beliefs?

The poster you replied to wrote "When you separate kids from their parents, you open up the doors to all sorts of mayhem." This is straight out of the works of Marx/Engle. Seperate children from parents, seperate mothers (the family glue) from their husbands and children, make men useless beyond providing sperm, to embrace the idea that all peoples are equal, homosexuality is good, morailty is passe- all of this was Marx.

Although I can't stand what he wante, I have to give him credit for knowing what it would take to get there. In order to bring about the change he saw necessary you must first destroy the fabric of society. You do that by slowly pulling out each individual family thread.

The interesting thing is that the children of the 40s and 50s became the anti-war, anti-authoritarian hippies of the 60s- not exactly the goal.

I have to disagree, being a recovered anti-war hippie type who worked at UCLA during campus unrest. Although not particpating in any protests, it was pretty hard not to get tired of the little box on the evening news that listed the number of DEAD, WOUNDED, MISSING, year after year after year. If you graduated from high school in 64, these were your peers, your brothers and boyfriends. I partied with Marines from Pendleton and 29 Palms and guys from the VA. I don't remember associating with anyone who was against our troops, just the endless police action in Nam. The fact that there were so many who treated our returning vets with such disrespect was shameful and makes it hard to point out that being against the war back then did not mean you were a Jane Fonda fan.

Because of our education we had been taught to think and to debate. We were taught the Constitution. Other movements that were beginning to catch on because of needed changes, ie; environmental, women's lib. I remember working hard to get my boss to allow us to wear pant suits to work instead of nylons and heels. Perhaps this sounds silly, but that was the point. It was no longer a "man's world" and working women had a right to be as comfortable as men. This was a far cry from being against men and family. When I first heard of these "women's studies" courses, I was shocked after visiting random University websites and perused their course descriptions along with the literature courses. What a load.

The original causes were taken over by leftists/marxists radicals which was the master plan, and a lot of us have grown up and become conservative and wiser with the help of FreeRepublic. I sincerely hope that as the Homeschool Movement continues to gain momentum with parents, that the homeschooled kids will become the leaders of tomorrow. It's so very hard to be hopeful.

Sorry for rambling on.

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"The model we used for as the basis for our own public school system on comes from Prussia. The stated goal of the system was to create workers for the factories, soldiers who would mindlessly follow orders, and citizens who would be easy to control. "

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I've not really researched what you are stating here...but in the recesses of my brain...I keep thinking that they used to require Latin..considerable world geography, and fairly complex critical thinking exercises even in many of the ''one room'' school houses...in the 1800's. That doesn't sound like your average assembly line worker..I'm not doubting you..just trying to make it all jive...in my brain.

Is what you have described...Horace Mann's basic template? Horace Mann..was..as many refer...the "father of modern P.S.'s...wasn't he?