To: unspun
First, it is Islam.
Second, we are not in a war with Islam. We are in a war with radical Islam.
If Islam were the enemy, then we would be at war with billions of people, and obviously we are not. In fact, the attitude on the Muslim street, especially from those who have felt the liberty brought by Americans, is much more favorable than that felt by Christian Europeans.
I don't mean to be insulting or politcally correct, but keep religion out of this.
To: republicanwizard
Am I the only one who thinks we're probably at war with someone else who is only using 'islam' as a 3rd party contractor, or am I just way too paranoid?
14 posted on
03/25/2003 7:59:12 PM PST by
JustinV
To: republicanwizard; unspun
Actually, I agree with his use of the term "Islamism," as distinct from "Islam," and I appreciate his use of the term.
"Islamism" is a radicalized, bastardized form of "Islam," much as "fascism" is an extreme, twisted form of nationalism.
In fact, whether you call it "Pan Arabism" or "radical Islamism", it is obviously THE threat we are facing right now.
And the comparison with fascism is apt. The Ba'ath party came into being during the time that Iraq was a Nazi puppet, and was originally modeled on Nazism, much as fascism in Hungary, Romania, Finland and other Nazi client states.
In turn, Saddam uses radical Islamism to suit is own ends. So, in fact, does Osama, and others like them.
This is just the adoption by this segment of the third world, of old tried-and-true fascism.
Hey, Nasser did it, Idi Amin did it, and whats-his-name in Myanmar did it.
With Communism in eclipse (somewhat), we need to remember that TOTALITARIANISM hasn't given up, not at all!
16 posted on
03/25/2003 8:02:15 PM PST by
Illbay
(Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
To: republicanwizard
Thank you for your post. Please consider the following.
RW: First, it is Islam.
RW: Second, we are not in a war with Islam. We are in a war with radical Islam.
unspun: For the disctinction between Islam and Islamism, see
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/366 - Islam and Islamism - Faith and Ideology, Daniel Pipes, National Interest, Spring 2000
RW: If Islam were the enemy, then we would be at war with billions of people, and obviously we are not. In fact, the attitude on the Muslim street, especially from those who have felt the liberty brought by Americans, is much more favorable than that felt by Christian Europeans.
unspun: I did not say Islam, you did.
RW: I don't mean to be insulting or politcally correct, but keep religion out of this.
unspun: There is nothing that you or I or anyone can do, to keep religion out of the attack of Israel, America, the West, and if left unchecked, potentially the World, by Islamists. This imperative statement is equivalent to saying "Keep racism and fascism out of this," to America, during WWII, or saying "Keep consideration of Marxism and totalitarian ideology out of this," to America, during the Cold War.
18 posted on
03/25/2003 8:05:03 PM PST by
unspun
("Well I'm proud to be a FReeper, where at least I know I'm an American; and I won't forget....")
To: republicanwizard
Second, we are not in a war with Islam. We are in a war with radical Islam. If Islam were the enemy, then we would be at war with billions of people.Most of the worlds 1 billion Muslims have not committed any violent acts torwards us and most of these same 1 billion Muslims never will.
God bless our troups right now who are not seated comfortably in front of a warm glowing monitor and who are instead fighting sandstorms and the evil regime in Iraq.
We must NEVER assign our troups the the task of fighting 1 billion Muslims unless it is absolutely required.
To: republicanwizard
In fact, the attitude on the Muslim street, especially from those who have felt the liberty brought by Americans, is much more favorable than that felt by Christian Europeans. I don't see reson to agree with this, even considering the meanings of words that I'd guess you're using. As for the meaning of what it means to be a Muslim and Christian, my perspective is that there is one Judge of such things, and He has defined what being a Christian truly is, in the New Testament. There will be many who will call Him, "Lord, Lord," to which He warns He will say, "Depart from me. I never knew you."
22 posted on
03/25/2003 8:13:56 PM PST by
unspun
("Well I'm proud to be a FReeper, where at least I know I'm an American; and I won't forget....")
To: republicanwizard
what is 1% of a Billion?
1,000,000,000/100 = 1,000,000
thats only if 1% are the enemy
We already know more than that hate us in Iran alone.
We had better trust God this time.
Which brings to mind: Where is the massive prayer calls like we had 12 years ago??
To: republicanwizard
"Second, we are not in a war with Islam." Just keep telling yourself that.....
L
31 posted on
03/25/2003 8:51:39 PM PST by
Lurker
("One man of reason and goodwill is worth more, actually and potentially, than a million fools" AR)
To: republicanwizard
My brother, whether you realize it or not, this IS a religious war. Unfortunately, most of America have forgotten our religious roots. THEY haven't. Our secular leanings are just as bad in their eyes. Explain why so few (I can't think of any) Muslim clerics haven't denounced the radical aspect of their religion. To them it matters not whether WE are Christian, Jewish, Budist, etc. WE ain't Muslim and WE must go. It IS us or THEM. The Israelis know this first hand. We are just getting the first wiffs of the coffee. Raise the black flag!
To: republicanwizard
only 1.23 billion
57 posted on
03/26/2003 11:41:42 AM PST by
tiki
To: republicanwizard
OK, I'll bite. How do you tell the difference between a radical Islamist and a non-radical Islamist? This isn't a joke, I'm curious to know what your thoughts are on this.
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