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US Wins appeal on Domestic Spy Powers
Associated Press | 3/24/2003 | Annie Gearan

Posted on 03/24/2003 3:52:17 PM PST by sinkspur

WASHINGTON (AP) -

The Supreme Court refused Monday to be drawn into a dispute over the boundaries of a law giving the government broader surveillance authority after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

The American Civil Liberties Union and other organizations wanted the justices to consider when the government should be allowed to monitor someone's telephone conversations and e-mail, then use the information to prosecute them.

The Bush administration has argued the surveillance, and a special court that oversees sensitive domestic espionage tactics, are indispensable tools in the war on terror.

The ACLU used an unusual maneuver to get the case to the Supreme Court, filing an appeal on behalf of people who don't even know they're being monitored. The justices would have had to give special permission to allow it. They refused, without comment.

The action was not a ruling on the merits of the ACLU's challenge, and the issue is expected to return to the high court later.

The administration has aggressively defended its use of wiretaps approved by the super-secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court, or "spy court," which deals with intelligence requests involving suspected spies, terrorists and foreign agents.

Even the spy court had reservations about that aggressiveness. Last May, the court ruled that the USA Patriot Act passed by Congress after the terrorist attacks did not justify the use of certain investigative techniques proposed by the administration.

Attorney General John Ashcroft appealed to a review court which had never met or issued a decision during the spy court's 25-year existence. That court sided with the administration and said government officials did not have to limit their monitoring to foreign intelligence. That means law enforcement officers can use the information to build cases for prosecution.

Ashcroft cheered the court action. "It is vitally important that the government's intelligence and law enforcement officials coordinate their efforts to protect America from foreign threats to our national security," he said.

The review court decision "opens the door to surveillance abuses that seriously threatened our democracy in the past," justices were told in the filing by the ACLU, the National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee and the Arab Community Center for Economic and Social Services.

To get a warrant from the spy court, the government must show that a suspect probably is a "foreign power or agent of a foreign power." Law enforcement must meet a higher standard - probable cause that a crime was committed - to get an ordinary criminal warrant for wiretapping or other electronic intrusion.

The administration did not respond to the ACLU's appeal. Any of the nine justices could have demanded a response, but none did.

The spy court has approved thousands of warrants since it was established by Congress in 1978, and it only rarely turns down the government.

The case is one of two at the Supreme Court involving issues related to the terrorist attacks. The other challenges the government's holding of closed deportation hearings after the attacks.

Ashcroft has approved more than 170 emergency domestic spying warrants, triple the number used in the previous 23 years.

The emergency warrants, which are authorized under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, permit authorities to tap telephones and fax numbers and conduct physical searches for up to 72 hours before they are subject to review by the special, secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court.

In testimony to Congress earlier this month, Ashcroft said there were more than 1,000 applications for FISA warrants in 2002, including the emergency warrants.

The ACLU had filed challenges in Michigan and New Jersey, on behalf of media organizations seeking access to hearings involving foreigners swept up in the terrorism probes.

The 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals in Philadelphia ruled that the attorney general has the right to close the hearings for reasons of national security. The ACLU appealed the decision. The government has until next month to appeal an appeals court decision that went the other way.

"The courts continue to have a critical role in ensuring that the government's efforts to protect national security are done in a manner that is consistent with protecting civil liberties," said Steven Shapiro, the ACLU's legal director.


TOPICS: Breaking News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: runsandnigger; supremecourt
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To: sinkspur
They're here. And I don't give a damn what has to happen to get 'em outta here.

How about closing the border?

21 posted on 03/24/2003 5:43:53 PM PST by jd777
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To: sinkspur
What, me worry?

Get a life sink. Go find some girls you can goad into getting banned.

22 posted on 03/24/2003 5:45:38 PM PST by tpaine
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To: WoofDog123
If this is expanded to allow information not involving terrorism gained from secret wiretaps/email survelliance to be passed onto other law enforcement agencies, what will your position be?

It already is. Child pornographers and pedophiles are regularly nailed this way.

That's a good thing.

Take 'em one at a time.

If there were some way to keep drunks from driving, I'd be for anything that would accomplish that. Anything.

24 posted on 03/24/2003 5:51:09 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: tpaine
Get a life sink. Go find some girls you can goad into getting banned.

That's your response?

Your synapses are besotted, paine.

25 posted on 03/24/2003 6:02:39 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
BTW, -- take your silly personal asides to the backroom.
TO -sinkspur- By -tpaine-

Deep into the sauce again, aren't you?

Nope, -- as usual you're projecting your faults on opponents. Its a silly, obvious ploy.

The really joyous thing about the fact that you're so old and I'm not is the fact that you'll predecease me by many, many years,

Hummm.. Tell me, -- being a newbie, 'cp', how do you know my personal details? Could it be you're a phonie newbie?

and that unlike you, I'll continue on in life, surrounded by folks who really like me.

Yep, in your previous 'persona', you were also quite insistant on how well 'liked' you were. - A pitiful self delusion.

You, unfortunately, will be viewed as an oddity and a crank, mourned by no one, and your passing will be noted with relief by those whose lives you soiled with your nastiness.

Good grief whatta hate on you've got there, my boy! Keep that up, and you'll burst a blood vessel and end up as a drooling clown. Calm yourself.

And no, I'm not taking it to the backroom, you senile old fool.

Suit yourself. Obviously, flush from your recent triumph over a girl, you think yourself above forum rules. - Dream on.

26 posted on 03/24/2003 6:30:25 PM PST by tpaine
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To: Poohbah
Poohbah and I don't often agree, but "thousands" of warrants since 1978 is a drop in the bucket. This number says the use of these secret warrants has been correctly limited to targets that really do affect national security.

If we could only get no-knock raids and property seizures down to these levels, then we would roll back the militarization of policing.
27 posted on 03/24/2003 6:49:14 PM PST by eno_
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To: Lysander
"The President and Congress are simply not capable of preventing terrorist attacks from occurring by legislation or by curtailing our rights. The solution is prevention of the cause of terrorism, our failed intervention into the Israel-Palestinian fight."

Do you seek the "right" to be a terrorist?

The US has gone farther than ANY entity, to find a basis for peace between the two subject factions. So while the "intervention" may have "failed" it was honestly attempted.

Is the palestine issue, the cause for muslim-terrorists to murder Christian missionaries, in the Philippines? Same question, for terror by radical muslim factions, in the former USSR? Islamist terror is a problem, of grave proportions, not tied directly to Israel.

I'll gladly submit to some reduction of my freedom, to provide my government the tools to fight this threat.

The US Constitution is not intended to be a "suicide pact."

28 posted on 03/24/2003 11:05:09 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
The US Constitution is not intended to be a "suicide pact."

Nor is it intended to be a tool of domination. It is there to limit power of government. It is failing by popular demand. Thanks for being scared enough to put the chains on all of us.

Funny how we have asked millions to die for our Freedom but so many of you are afraid to even have a modicum of risk to your TV lives to defend rights. Fear is an awesome motivator.

29 posted on 03/25/2003 10:52:12 AM PST by Lysander
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To: Lysander
It seem the "Constitution is a Living Document" conservatives are back in force.
30 posted on 03/25/2003 11:01:05 AM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: sinkspur
If there were some way to keep drunks from driving, I'd be for anything that would accomplish that. Anything.

Just like the gun-grabbers would be for anything to keep children from getting killed by guns. Anything.
31 posted on 03/25/2003 11:13:11 AM PST by jmc813 (Control for smilers can't be bought;The solar garlic starts to rot;Was it for this my life I sought?)
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To: Lysander
"Thanks for being scared enough to put the chains on all of us.

Funny how we have asked millions to die for our Freedom but so many of you are afraid to even have a modicum of risk to your TV lives to defend rights. Fear is an awesome motivator."

I am not scared, and you don't have any new chains. I don't lead a TV life, and have served my country in uniform, to earn the right to opine as to when it is time to be on the defensive, against a known enemy.

You are pretty quick to throw around words, as if you have some special ability to be certain that our founders would be acting differently than recent Presidents.


32 posted on 03/25/2003 2:15:08 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: truth_seeker
I guess the oath you made to "defend the Constitution of the United States against all
enemies, foreign and domestic" had a few more caveats than the one the rest of us took. Were you in the French Navy?
33 posted on 03/25/2003 4:14:48 PM PST by Lysander
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To: Doctor Stochastic
It seem the "Constitution is a Living Document" conservatives are back in force.

It his lived so much they killed it.

34 posted on 03/25/2003 4:17:34 PM PST by Lysander
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