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The Weathermen, the Bader-Meinhoff, The Red Guards, ELF, ALF
were all dismissed in the same manner at various times.

I have a history similar to David's; we are of an age. I remember when he became a non-person, overnight. I became one quite shortly afterwards for refusing to get involved in bombing a power substation.

What is not generally acknowledged about the economics of the anti-Americans is that many of them can count on inheritances from the grandparents or parents and more than anyone would guess have trust funds that they go to great lengths to keep secret. I have known very few cadre who were really *poor*. Some grow enough pot to live comfortably and only need a job to show some means of support. Any job will do.

Their cause is financed by the heirs of some of the wealthiest & best known names in American business history.

The violence is perpetrated by a handful, but they can count on help from the masses: money, safe houses, alibis, jobs, references, cars. Even years later, it is easy to guilt trip those who went back into society into being accessories in some manner.

People who have never been inside The Movement take these folks at face value. It is easy to underestimate them and they count on that.

They are very angry and focused. Usually, the leaders are not dopers.

I think he is dead on.

I don't think one can compare the ELF, ALF, or the anarchists up in Oregon to the Red Bridgades of Germany and Italy or the Weathermen or SLA in America in the 70's and 80's. To the best of my knowledge no one has been killed by any of these groups now in America. While I do want these groups stopped and long jail terms handed out (and they do seem to be getting more violent) I don't think they compare to the barbarism of left wing groups 20 or 30 years ago.

"They are very angry and focused. Usually, the leaders are not dopers."

Thanks for confirming the reality of the "anti-war" left.

Those in the streets might be the long-haired, dope-smoking maggot-infested "useful idiots". Or they might be the terminally naive. But those who manipulate them are anything but.