(Informative!) Soldier suspected of deadly grenade attack had California ties

RENO ^ | 3/23/2003 11:30 pm | Associated Press

[dennisw]

The soldier being held in a deadly grenade attack on a 101st Airborne Division command center in Kuwait spent much of his youth in California and was described by family and friends Sunday as a brilliant student and mild-mannered practicing Muslim.

[lewislynn]

What the f#&k does "had California ties" mean or have to do with anything?

[Vic3O3]

ping

[Osage Orange]

From the piece:

"''I would have to see him do that in order to believe it,'' Abdul Karim Hasan said of the man he hadn't seen in about a decade. ''I don't see it in his character. A guy's character follows him throughout his life. I don't see how he could change that drastically."

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

I thought character didn't matter....I'll bet somebody a day's pay...that Abdul Karim Hasan...voted for SickSlick.

FRegards,

[randita]

Have there been any reports or information about just WHEN he joined the military?

Other reports said he signed up in 1998.

Anybody else think it's strange that a man with a double degree in two different engineering fields would enlist in the military? A person with those credentials could probably secure a $100,000+/year job most anywhere in the U.S.

I know some people, not motivated by financial success, are drawn to the service out of a sense of duty to their country, but it's clear Akbar had no love for his country.

I hope someone takes a good look at this bank account to see if he was being "subsidized"..

[dennisw]

Any more information on this "Bilal Mosque" that Akbar belonged to? It seems to be mostly black American converts.........

 

Bilal Islamic Center 4016 S. Central Ave. LOS ANGELES 90011

Tel: (213) 233-7274 ; Fax: (213) 233-9739

Is this a black area of LA? South Central?

[nmh]

"Akbar's mother said her son was a straight-A student and a"half-genius."But she said her son had expressed concerns about being a Muslim in the Army. "He said, Mama, when I get over there I have the feeling they are going to arrest me just because of the name that I have carried." "

Here we go again ... the murdered who is a martyr in the name of islam.

[Grampa Dave]

I'm sure that the Mosque is NOI, and al Fuqra members were recruited and welcomed in this mosque.

It will take people outside of the media to follow this guy's past.

[Katya]

."He's not like that. He said the only thing he was going out there to do was blow up the bridges."

Depends on the meaning of blow up...maybe he meant "burn" his bridges.

[leadpenny]

I think it is just a statement of fact.

[Tijeras_Slim]

Anybody else think it's strange that a man with a double degree in two different engineering fields would enlist in the military? A person with those credentials could probably secure a $100,000+/year job most anywhere in the U.S.

I'm thinking "Attitude Problem". Companies probably didn't want to touch this lawsuit in the making.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for posting this. As you know this is not the first time that has happened to American Troops in Iraq.

The first time was in Desert Storm. The man who tried to kill his peers was John Allen Williams, aka John Allen Mohammad, the DC sniper. "...[John Muhammad] Williams’s unit was sent to Operation Desert Storm to clear mines and bulldoze holes in enemy lines. A few nights before the invasion of Iraq, Sergeant Berentson awoke in the early hours to find his tent, with 16 sleeping men inside, on fire. Someone had tossed in a thermite grenade. Berentson, who was fed up with Williams’s insubordination, immediately suspected Williams and told the Army’s Criminal Investigative Division. Berentson says he last saw Williams being led away in handcuffs. Williams’s military records make no mention of the incident; indeed, they suggest Williams had a distinguished gulf-war stint. But Berentson always kept Williams’s name and dog-tag number in his wallet. He says he was not surprised to see Williams’s face on television..."

[leadpenny]

I wonder why we have not heard much from Calypso Louie since 9-11? Could it be that he thinks his organization has been infiltrated by undercover feds?

I hope so.

[gridlock]

Abdul Karim Hasan, the imam at the Bilal Islamic Center in Los Angeles that Akbar and his family used to attend, described Akbar as a ''quiet, mild-type person."

So, what lesson is your average Joe to take from this incident? That even you most mild-mannered Muslim is a ticking time bomb who may at any moment lob grenades at his sleeping comrades and open up on them with an M-16? Is that really the lesson that Abdul Karim Hasan wants us to learn here?

RE: "E Unum Pluribus (From One, Many)."

During the 2000 Campaign, Algore used the national motto E Pluribus Unum, and went on at great length about how it meant, "From One, Many", and how it was actually a statment of the value of diversity. He completely stood the motto on it's head. And (a tiny bit over) half the US voted for this guy. Thank the Founders for the Electoral College!

[SendShaqtoIraq]

Sorry, mama, he CONFESSED

[AmericanInTokyo]

And who goes around naming their son w/ a middle name of "FIDEL" if they are not Cuban or otherwise Latino (Unless from a Marxist, anti-USA family in the first place?) This was like the middle name for one of the Islamofascists busted in Portland: "Lumumba" for "Patrice Lumumba"--revolutionary communist.

Black Americans in the military going over to radical islam, and then working as fifth column INSIDE our military is something we had better wake up on. This is the third such high level case I know of.

[Beck_isright]

From the Uniform Code of Military Justice:

Art. 106a ESPIONAGE

(c) A sentence of death may be adjudged by a court-martial for an offense under this section (article) only if the members unanimously find, beyond a reasonable doubt, one or more of the following aggravating factors:

(1) The accused has been convicted of another offense involving espionage or treason for which either a sentence of death or imprisonment for life was authorized by statute.

In other words one Marlboro, one blindfold.

[Ole Okie]

I spell it a-h*le.

Any kin to the Senate Minority Leader Teensy Tom D'asshole?

[skeeter]

The guy this puke killed was a "nice guy" too. From the Times-Express:

Capt. Christopher Scott Seifert, 27, of the Army's 101st Airborne Division died when live grenades were tossed into tents at the division's command center, an Army spokesman said.

News of Seifert's death spread quickly Sunday night throughout the Wilson Area School District -- where he ran cross country in high school and played saxophone in the jazz band -- and Bethlehem, where he majored in history at Moravian College.

"All I remember about Chris Seifert is he was just a fantastic kid," said Bill Curnow, who directed the Wilson Area High School Band while Seifert was a member.

"He was an outstanding student, a really, really great kid. He was band president and well-liked by all his peers."

Family members gathered to mourn Sunday afternoon at the home of Seifert's parents, Helen and Thomas Seifert, on Buttermilk Road. They declined to speak to the media.

John Ahern, a cousin of Seifert's through marriage, met visitors in the family's front yard and released a statement:

"The family is obviously devastated by the loss and appreciates all the support of family and friends, and would ask the media to allow them to mourn their loss in private.

[lewislynn]

I think it is just a statement of fact.

I think it's a negative connotation. I think it's akin to saying he has muslim ties....also a more relevant statement of fact, not to mention a more fitting headline.