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Conscripts shoot their own officers rather than fight
Times Online ^ | Tom Newton Dunn

Posted on 03/21/2003 7:34:36 PM PST by Gorilla44

From Tom Newton Dunn with 40 Commando near al-Faw, southern Iraq

IRAQI conscripts shot their own officers in the chest yesterday to avoid a fruitless fight over the oil terminals at al-Faw. British soldiers from 40 Commando’s Charlie Company found a bunker full of the dead officers, with spent shells from an AK47 rifle around them.

Stuck between the US Seals and the Royal Marines, whom they did not want to fight, and a regime that would kill them if they refused, it was the conscripts’ only way out.

In total, 40 Commando had collected more than 100 prisoners of war yesterday from the few square miles of the al-Faw peninsula that they controlled. Two of them were a general in the regular Iraqi Army and a brigadier. They came out from the command bunker where they had been hiding after 40 Commando’s Bravo Company fired two anti-tank missiles into it. With them was a large sports holdall stuffed with money. They insisted that they had been about to pay their troops, to the disbelief of their captors.

These were the men who had left their soldiers hungry, poorly armed and almost destitute for weeks, judging by the state we had seen them in, while appearing to keep the money for themselves.

It was only as dawn broke that the 900 Royal Marine commandos, who had moved forward during the night, realised the pitiful shape of the enemy. The first white flag was hoisted by three soldiers in a trench just outside the complex’s north gate, which had been surrounded by heavy machinegunners from Command Company.

They were taken prisoner by Corporal Fergus Gask, 26, who may have accepted the first surrender of the war. “We started engaging their positions with GPMGs (general purpose machineguns) when I noticed this white flag go up,” he said. “I didn’t know whether it was a trick or not, but I approached the trench anyway, probably a pretty silly thing to do if I think about it.

“But as soon as I saw their faces I knew they were genuine. They actually looked very relieved they didn’t have to fight any more. And they became very pleased to see us when they realised we weren’t going to do them any harm.”

The dawn light appeared to have provoked an exodus.

Small groups of dishevelled Iraqis were standing up all around us with their hands in the air, or with a dirty white T-shirt tied to a stick waving above them. Every time you turned around, a new trickle of silhouettes emerged from the horizon walking slowly towards us. One Marine joked: “Oh no. They’re surrendering at us from all sides.”

Each prisoner was thoroughly searched before he was accepted into captivity in a procedure that the commandos had clearly practised many times. The injured were quickly treated and a handful received almost immediate helicopter evacuation from the oil terminal to HMS Ocean, where a temporary hospital for PoWs has been set up.

As a new day began, so did the Marines’ gradual expansion outwards into the large expanse of waste ground that is still pockmarked with shell craters from the Iran-Iraq War.To save them having to translate from Arabic maps, 40 Commando named the clear paths they had established or wanted to seize with London street names: Downing Street, Abbey Road or Fulham Road.

Engineers, meanwhile, began the work of shutting down the many oil pipeline valves


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: alfaw; energy; iraq; iraqifreedom; oil; surrender; war; warlist
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To: Gorilla44
Sometimes, the best way to fight for liberty is to shoot the guys who are in change!
21 posted on 03/21/2003 8:04:54 PM PST by Atlas Sneezed
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To: xm177e2
Someone should tell those commie supporters that we support our troops when they shoot protesters. (But since they've deployed to protect us, we'll take care of them ourselves.)
22 posted on 03/21/2003 8:06:57 PM PST by 11B3 (.308 holes make invisible souls. Belt fed liberal eraser.)
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To: EternalVigilance
The frogs sent them their history and a lot of white cloth cut to size.
23 posted on 03/21/2003 8:19:05 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: Gorilla44
Conscripts shoot their own officers rather than fight

I have a feeling they will not be the last ones to do this.

24 posted on 03/21/2003 8:19:10 PM PST by Mark17
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To: Mark17
Me either.

I said days ago that the only orders the Iraqi conscripts should obey are:

"About face!"

and:

"Fire!"

Looks like some of them read FR... ;-)
25 posted on 03/21/2003 8:22:27 PM PST by EternalVigilance
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To: Gorilla44
Now **THAT** is democracy in action!
26 posted on 03/21/2003 8:26:03 PM PST by The Duke
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To: Gorilla44
Often times these men are rounded up in the middle of the night, stolen away from their families, and forced to fight under penalty of death. "Fight us now or fight the Americans", they're told. They chose option (a).
27 posted on 03/21/2003 8:30:45 PM PST by avg_freeper
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To: Gorilla44
US corpsmen tend to an injured Iraqi prisoner wounded as Marines took control of an oil pumping station early Friday in Iraq. The cause of the injury was not immediately available. Look at the boots...?
28 posted on 03/21/2003 8:33:01 PM PST by longtermmemmory
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To: Beelzebubba
The good folks in California could take a lesson in this strategy.
29 posted on 03/21/2003 8:34:13 PM PST by minmospop
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To: Gorilla44
With them was a large sports holdall stuffed with money. They insisted that they had been about to pay their troops, to the disbelief of their captors.

I hope it wasn't this stuff, they are probably getting inflated lately.

30 posted on 03/21/2003 8:36:55 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: longtermmemmory
Great picture.

It says a lot!
31 posted on 03/21/2003 8:37:58 PM PST by WOSG (Liberate Iraq! Lets Roll! now!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Those MOPP bunny boots. Pain in the ass to walk in, but better than the alternative.
32 posted on 03/21/2003 8:41:11 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter
Courtesy of you-know-who:


33 posted on 03/21/2003 8:49:42 PM PST by Lady Jag (Googolplex Star Thinker of the Seventh Galaxy of Light and Ingenuity)
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To: Gorilla44
“Oh no. They’re surrendering at us from all sides.”

Bwahahahahaha. That's priceless.

34 posted on 03/21/2003 8:49:48 PM PST by Sandy
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To: Gorilla44
I actually feel somewhat sorry for these Iraqi troops. Forced into service, not by patriotism, but by threat to life and limb. Senior officers taking no interest in their well-being, stealing their pay and having no loyalty returned to them.

Pathetic. Is it any wonder they're cracking so quickly.

The liberation of Iraq is not just for the civilian populace---it is also for the mistreated rank and file Iraqi soldier.

35 posted on 03/21/2003 8:53:17 PM PST by Thumper1960
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To: struwwelpeter
I would imagine we will do the same in Iraq as in Afganistan.

Allow an exchange of old money for new money. This way we take away the money from the opressors while not hurting the little people.
36 posted on 03/21/2003 8:55:07 PM PST by ImphClinton
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To: Chi-Town Steve
read this
37 posted on 03/21/2003 8:59:37 PM PST by Anomaly in Illinois ( If you steal from one author, it's plagiarism; if you steal from many, it's research(never forget)
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To: longtermmemmory
Look at the boots...?

I assume you mean the ones our guys are wearing? They are chemical boots. I have worn them before also.

38 posted on 03/21/2003 10:28:35 PM PST by Mark17
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To: Gorilla44

Sun man sees surrender ("troops shot their own commanders")

IRAQI troops shot their own commanders with Kalashnikov rifles — so they could surrender.
Good article too.
39 posted on 03/21/2003 10:31:38 PM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: xm177e2
I guess it wouldn't be a complete loss if North Korea lobbed a warhead at San Francisco.
40 posted on 03/21/2003 10:37:23 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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