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1 posted on 03/21/2003 3:40:19 PM PST by blam
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To: blam
Must have wet his panties.

"I am deeply
saddened."

2 posted on 03/21/2003 3:41:03 PM PST by Petronski (I'm not always cranky.)
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To: blam
Fisk is not well.

As an aside though, his description of the cruise missiles sailing overhead (assuming it is true) was engaging. Boys will be boys....

3 posted on 03/21/2003 3:44:38 PM PST by eureka! (Bless our Troops and Allies.........)
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4 posted on 03/21/2003 3:44:50 PM PST by Paleo Conservative (Gulf War II: The Mother of All Surrenders)
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To: blam
that the United States must be obeyed

All the money we spent on this raid, and the Eurosissies don't get it. Don't obey us, just don't screw with us. It's easy.

5 posted on 03/21/2003 3:47:46 PM PST by Dead Dog
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To: blam
Well yes, one could say, could one attack a more appropriate regime? But that is not quite the point.

Yes, it is, and believe it or not, it looks like Fisk is getting it. Must've been talking to the Iraqis.

6 posted on 03/21/2003 3:49:47 PM PST by Billthedrill
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In other cruise missle related news...

Tactical Tomahawk Penetrates Test Range Target

{snip}WHITE SANDS, N.M. (NNS) -- The Navy’s next generation cruise missile, the Tactical Tomahawk, took flight March 21 at the White Sands Missile Test Range in New Mexico.{snip}

More text & pics at link.

7 posted on 03/21/2003 3:53:33 PM PST by csvset
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To: blam
For once Fisk got it exactly right: Vivid description. Correct interpretation of the message.

He hates it, but he reported it accurately.

8 posted on 03/21/2003 3:55:30 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: blam
Saddam's main presidential palace, a great rampart of a building 20 storeys high, simply exploded in front of me ­ a cauldron of fire

Just a few more feet closer........ dagummit!

9 posted on 03/21/2003 3:55:45 PM PST by Brett66
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Shock and Odd

10 posted on 03/21/2003 3:58:38 PM PST by paws_and_whiskers
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Strangely, the electricity grid continued to operate

Not strange at all, this CIC goes out of his way to spare civilians unlike the last one.

12 posted on 03/21/2003 4:05:22 PM PST by palmer (ohmygod this bulldozer is like, really heavy?)
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To: blam
Robert Fisk, a British citizen, writing for the British newspaper "The Independent" stands in front of two military targets in downtown Baghdad and is able to watch and report on the event. After sustained heavy bombardment from the United States, it is hard to find civilian casualties.

Before we let the "America-haters" start spewing out the propaganda about civilian deaths after our bombardment we need a point of reference. Let's go back to the night British bombers bombed Dresden, Germany and see what it was like.

"You guys burnt the place down, turned it into a single column of flame. More people died there in the firestorm, in that one big flame, than died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined." --Kurt Vonnegut, Jr

On the evening of February 13, 1945, an orgy of genocide and barbarism began against a defenseless German city, one of the greatest cultural centers of northern Europe. Within less than 14 hours not only was it reduced to flaming ruins, but an estimated one-third of its inhabitants, possibly as many as a half a million, had perished in what was the worst single event massacre of all time.

February 13/14 1945: Holocaust over Dresden, known as the Florence of the North. Dresden was a hospital city for wounded soldiers. Not one military unit, not one anti-aircraft battery was deployed in the city. Together with the 600.000 refugees from Breslau, Dresden was filled with nearly 1.2 million people. Churchill had asked for "suggestions how to blaze 600.000 refugees". He wasn't interested how to target military installations 60 miles outside of Dresden. More than 700.000 phosphorus bombs were dropped on 1.2 million people. One bomb for every 2 people. The temperature in the centre of the city reached 1600 o centigrade. More than 260.000 bodies and residues of bodies were counted. But those who perished in the centre of the city can't be traced. Approximately 500.000 children, women, the elderly, wounded soldiers and the animals of the zoo were slaughtered in one night. On Shrove Tuesday, February 13, 1945, a flood of refugees fleeing the Red Army 60 miles away had swollen the city's population to well over a million.

Dresden's citizens barely had time to reach their shelters. The first bomb fell at 10:09 p.m. The attack lasted 24 minutes, leaving the inner city a raging sea of fire. "Precision saturation bombing" had created the desired firestorm.

A firestorm is caused when hundreds of smaller fires join in one vast conflagration. Huge masses of air are sucked in to feed the inferno, causing an artificial tornado. Those persons unlucky enough to be caught in the rush of wind are hurled down entire streets into the flames. Those who seek refuge underground often suffocate as oxygen is pulled from the air to feed the blaze, or they perish in a blast of white heat--heat intense enough to melt human flesh.

One eyewitness who survived told of seeing "young women carrying babies running up and down the streets, their dresses and hair on fire, screaming until they fell down, or the collapsing buildings fell on top of them."

There was a three-hour pause between the first and second raids. The lull had been calculated to lure civilians from their shelters into the open again. To escape the flames, tens of thousands of civilians had crowded into the Grosser Garten, a magnificent park nearly one and a half miles square.

The second raid came at 1:22 a.m. with no warning. Twice as many bombers returned with a massive load of incendiary bombs. The second wave was designed to spread the raging firestorm into the Grosser Garten.

It was a complete "success." Within a few minutes a sheet of flame ripped across the grass, uprooting trees and littering the branches of others with everything from bicycles to human limbs. For days afterward, they remained bizarrely strewn about as grim reminders of Allied sadism.

At the start of the second air assault, many were still huddled in tunnels and cellars, waiting for the fires of the first attack to die down. At 1:30 a.m. an ominous rumble reached the ears of the commander of a Labor Service convoy sent into the city on a rescue mission. He described it this way:

"The detonation shook the cellar walls. The sound of the explosions mingled with a new, stranger sound which seemed to come closer and closer, the sound of a thundering waterfall; it was the sound of the mighty tornado howling in the inner city."

MELTING HUMAN FLESH

Others hiding below ground died. But they died painlessly--they simply glowed bright orange and blue in the darkness. As the heat intensified, they either disintegrated into cinders or melted into a thick liquid--often three or four feet deep in spots.

When the last plane left the sky, Dresden was a scorched ruin, its blackened streets filled with corpses. The city was spared no horror. A flock of vultures escaped from the zoo and fattened on the carnage. Rats swarmed over the piles of corpses.

A Swiss citizen described his visit to Dresden two weeks after the raid: "I could see torn-off arms and legs, mutilated torsos and heads which had been wrenched from their bodies and rolled away. In places the corpses were still lying so densely that I had to clear a path through them in order not to tread on arms and legs."

No comparison whatsoever.

13 posted on 03/21/2003 4:30:19 PM PST by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty" not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: blam
Resistance is futile.
15 posted on 03/21/2003 4:50:21 PM PST by Toskrin
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