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Anxiety and Dread in the Nation's Capital [pacifist trash from the New York Times]
New York Times ^ | 21 March 2003 | CHRISTOPHER MARQUIS

Posted on 03/21/2003 3:02:50 PM PST by Joe Bonforte

WASHINGTON, March 21 — Toby Gati, a former State Department intelligence chief, was asked by her college-age daughter how the war unfolding in Iraq is different from Vietnam. For the first time, Ms. Gati said, she felt tongue-tied.

"My analytic mind takes me to a place my patriotic mind doesn't want to go," Ms. Gati said. For the moment, she says, she is hoping for the best.

Across Washington, residents woke up on Thursday to find the nation at war and felt themselves conflicted or unsettled in different ways. Throughout a day of drenching rain and dreary skies, they gave voice to feelings of anxiety and dread, as well as hope and even relief that the debate over Iraq was finally over.

The weather conspired to keep all but the heartiest indoors. A few hundred antiwar demonstrators paraded from Lafayette Park down city sidewalks, with soggy signs and a police escort.

The police presence was intense, as officials worried about the protesters and the potential for terrorist retaliation. Access to the White House was restricted by mid-afternoon. Policemen in yellow slickers rode bicycles in lazy loops in front of the Old Executive Office Building.

Companies and federal agencies sought new ways to augment security. One Washington firm sent out three progressively stiffer rules regarding its policy of presenting identification badges and escorting visitors.

In Congress, lawmakers cleared their calendars to focus on the war. They lined up to be interviewed by reporters and voiced support for American troops. "Every member of the United States Senate, I am confident, is talking about this issue to the people back home," said Rick Santorum, a Pennsylvania Republican.

At the same time, lawmakers were looking for ways to make themselves more secure. Senator Bill Frist, the majority leader, said he was studying ways to restrict some of the public tours of the Capitol. The move dismayed critics who view the tours as symbolic of the building's open form of government.

Everywhere, it seemed, the business of Washington went on with the drone of CNN and other television news stations in the background.

Federal workers displayed a certain stoicism as on the job.

"We're plugging along," said Julianne Shinnick, who works in counter-narcotics at the State Department. "Right now, it's a TV war. Everybody is still doing their own thing."

Ms. Shinnick said she had become somewhat inured to worries about an attack. In less than two years, she noted, Washington workers had endured the Sept. 11 attack on the Pentagon, a sniper who stalked the suburbs, anthrax scares, and a protest this week by a disgruntled tobacco farmer who threatened to blow himself up.

"If something's going to happen, it's going to happen," she said.

Lobbyists, advocates and academics fretted that the war would eclipse their own projects indefinitely. "It's a huge displacement factor," said Heather Foote, a human rights worker who has spent recent years in the peace process for Congo.

In the communities around Washington, people continued to make minor preparations to better survive an attack. That included replenishing food stocks some had dug into during a punishing snow storm in February.

Parents of preschoolers in nearby Bethesda, Md. brought in sleeping bags or blankets for their toddlers and piled them up outside an administrator's office.

Churches offered to stay open late to allow members to reflect on the war and pray for loved ones after work.

"There's definitely a sense of anxiety with the events of the last 24 hours," said Monsignor W. Ronald Jameson at St. Matthew's Cathedral, who said he would arrange for after-hours services. "The people who come to our masses are very much in a mood of prayer."

In small ways, residents and visitors sought out gestures to demonstrate their patriotism and hope for the future.

Patti McCraw of Gaffney, S.C., and her daughter, Sally, visited the National Museum of American History. In the central foyer, they gazed at the enormous American flag that once draped the side of the Pentagon after Sept. 11.

"The mood is very different," said Ms. McCraw, who has visited the capital a dozen times in the past decade. "This is a very somber time for the U.S."

Ms. Gati, the former State Department intelligence chief, said she is still struggling to answer her daughter's question about Vietnam. Among the obvious differences, she said, is that this time there is "a real enemy."

But she faltered. "The thought of explaining that my country was making a major mistake was too much to bear."

Critics of the war, meanwhile, expressed anger and frustration that their opposition was not heeded by elected officials. Now, some said, they felt compelled to temper their criticism lest they seem unpatriotic.

"I'm very angry," said Tim Rogers, a massage therapist, who said he felt like he was holding his breath during the runup to war. "I feel like the world's getting smaller and smaller and we can't afford to alienate so many different countries."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cluelessliberals; iraq; pacifistdiplomats; vietnam
How is Iraq different from Vietnam? Let me count the ways!

1. I don't recall cheering North Vietnamese coming to greet us when we fought there.

2. We lost 50,000 in Vietnam. Iraq will probably be on the order of 1% of that.

3. Iraq is not being re-supplied by major enemies like Russia and China (at least not after hostilities have begun)

4. No Vietnamese ever committed acts of terrorism against us before the war began.

5. The Vietnamese leadership never possessed weapons of mass destruction, or had any nuclear program to build atomic weapons, or gassed their own people with chemicals.

6. The coalition to invade Iraq is several times larger than the coalition we assembled for Vietnam.

7. Our commanders are being told to do what it takes to win instead of trying to appease pacifists who can never be appeased without abject surrender.

Feel free to add your own. I'd like to send that idiotic State Department pacifist a nice, complete list, since she seems so confused.

1 posted on 03/21/2003 3:02:50 PM PST by Joe Bonforte
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To: Joe Bonforte
But a common thread between Vietnam and Iraq is FRANCE.
2 posted on 03/21/2003 3:06:28 PM PST by pacpam
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To: Joe Bonforte
Critics of the war, meanwhile, expressed anger and frustration that their opposition was not heeded by elected officials.

Emotional and unthinking little children always want their way.

3 posted on 03/21/2003 3:06:33 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Joe Bonforte
"Anxiety and Dread in NYT Newsroom" "Liberals Fear Being Proven Wrong on Iraq.... Again."
4 posted on 03/21/2003 3:07:48 PM PST by linear
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To: Joe Bonforte
"Ms. Gati said, she felt tongue-tied."

Ms. Gati is tongue tied because she is an idiot.

How about, "In Iraq, out military forces actually have a mission, and they are being given the tools and the permission to accomplish it."

5 posted on 03/21/2003 3:09:10 PM PST by tjg
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To: Joe Bonforte
"Across Washington, residents woke up on Thursday to find the nation at war and felt themselves conflicted or unsettled in different ways. Throughout a day of drenching rain and dreary skies, they gave voice to feelings of anxiety and dread, as well as hope and even relief that the debate over Iraq was finally over."

I wonder how that compares to 9/12 ?

6 posted on 03/21/2003 3:10:28 PM PST by try phecta tom
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To: Joe Bonforte
Trust the NYTpickers to always locate the 20% opposed to the war.
7 posted on 03/21/2003 3:11:03 PM PST by Wavyhill
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To: try phecta tom
"Toby Gati, a former State Department intelligence chief, was asked by her college-age daughter how the war unfolding in Iraq is different from Vietnam."

If she has to ask, she won't understand.
8 posted on 03/21/2003 3:12:21 PM PST by Desecrated
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To: Joe Bonforte
Very well put.
9 posted on 03/21/2003 3:15:01 PM PST by Red Dog #1
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To: Joe Bonforte
We lost 50,000 in Vietnam. Iraq will probably be on the order of 1% of that.

Pessimist!

10 posted on 03/21/2003 3:22:00 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Joe Bonforte
Toby Gati, a former State Department intelligence chief ... she felt tongue-tied.

Another former State Dept. flunky who has made the proper decision to leave government service.

Hanoi's General Giap has repeatedly given credit to American protestors and our waffling leftists for his successful rape of South Vietnam (which continues to this very day).

Ms. Gati, you protested Vietnam until 1973, and after 1975 more than 1 million South Vietnamese died through torture, imprisonment, and famine. Simultaneously, Pol Pot was killing more than 2 million in Cambodia.

So the difference in removing Saddam is that 3 million people will not die.

11 posted on 03/21/2003 3:28:06 PM PST by angkor
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To: Joe Bonforte
>>Feel free to add your own.

No MacNamara. No Johnson.

One of the obvious lessons of Vietnam: The President should define the ultimate aim of the action. The brass figure out how to do it, and present the President with a viable plan.

The President says "Go"- and after that doesn't micromanage the thing.

Another big difference. This is a technological war of maneuver in open terrain. It is something that we are *very good* at, and practice for constantly at the Stumps and NTC.
I daresay that if you stuck the North Vietnamese Army in the Iraqi desert, they'd be almost as screwed as the Iraqis are. There ain't nowhere to fade back into! You can't approach unseen and 'hug our belts' to prevent us from using our supporting fires.

Another difference: Special Operations is being taken seriously. In Vietnam, there were a lot of hidebound senior officers that considered SpecOps to be a flight of fancy- a diversion of their best men into a piecemeal effort that wasn't going to accomplish anything of great significance.
Now, they're a full part of the symphony, and tactical doctrine has changed to make the best possible use of their abilities.

Another one, although this is a bit speculative: In Vietnam, the anti-American American Left was ascendant. Today, they are being *repeadedly* shown for the pack of disloyal fools that they are.
12 posted on 03/21/2003 3:43:39 PM PST by Riley
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To: Riley
*repeadedly* should read *repeatedly*.

Apologies.
13 posted on 03/21/2003 3:46:08 PM PST by Riley
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To: Joe Bonforte
In less than two years, she noted, Washington workers had endured the Sept. 11 attack on the Pentagon, a sniper who stalked the suburbs, anthrax scares, and a protest this week by a disgruntled tobacco farmer who threatened to blow himself up.

Oh please. This guy caused a traffic jam, hardly life threatening

I just lived down the road from this women in a land of Democratic voting soccer mom. Everyone is going about their lives, supporting our troops, and thanking God Bush won.

14 posted on 03/21/2003 4:49:10 PM PST by lizma
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To: Joe Bonforte
Toby Gati
Assistant Secretary of State for Intelligence and Research

February 22, 1996

Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

Chairman Specter, Senator Kerrey. It is a privilege to join you to present the views of the State Department's Bureau of Intelligence and Research on the current and projected worldwide threats to our national interests. In his "State of the Union" address, President Clinton defined seven threats to the security and national interests of the United States: the threat of terrorism; the spread of weapons of mass destruction; organized crime; drug trafficking; ethnic and religious hatred; the behavior of rogue nations; and environmental degradation.


These seven threats are our highest priority. They are our most immediate dangers, and the ones that Dr. Deutch, General Hughes, and I will focus on today. Threats of this type involve the actions of hostile states or groups or transnational phenomena with global consequences (e.g., narcotrafficking and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction). Such threats are now widely recognized and reasonably well understood. The intelligence community makes an invaluable contribution to our national security by effectively targeting these threats for collection and analysis.

The rest of it is here: http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1996_hr/s960222g.htm

15 posted on 03/21/2003 4:52:47 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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