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To: Askel5
I fail to see how it is the State of Israel is somehow exempt from standing on its own merits and gets to play the victim of anti-Semitism without FIRST justifying how its actions are singularly "Jewish" in nature.

Do you mean that the acts against Israel aren't anti-semitic because the Knesset hasn't published a paper defining the term "Jewish" to your satisfaction? The actions of the State of Israel have been in response to aggression and were not the origin of the aggression.

Perhaps you feel that in the light of the persecution of the Jews and the annihilation of whole Jewish communities throughout history, it would be considered more "Jewish" for the state of Israel to lay down arms and allow itself to be led like lambs to the slaughter by its enemies, which would doubtless cause you great sorrow in the light of the profound respect (and love) that you have for the Jews.

There is nothing "immoral" about preserving your own life under attack and in fact Pikuah nefesh (saving life) is one of the pillars of Judaism.

6 posted on 03/21/2003 12:01:26 AM PST by FreeReporting
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To: FreeReporting
Do you mean that the acts against Israel aren't anti-semitic because the Knesset hasn't published a paper defining the term "Jewish" to your satisfaction?

What exactly is the relationship of the Knesset to Judaism? I would very much like to understand. Have they authority to make pronouncements on the relative substance of the difference Jewish practices? Is the State of Israel a "religious" as well as secular authority?

For it seems to me that a pronouncement on the relative validity of Orthodox, Reform and Conservative would have ramifications outside the State of Israel were practicing Jews actually citizens of Israel to recognize such edicts as binding somehow.

(The weight given to the State of Israel and Israelis where all things "Jewish" are concerned these days being EXACTLY the point of your article, of course.)

I don't know ... I'm asking you.

The actions of the State of Israel have been in response to aggression and were not the origin of the aggression.
A nation born in part of political murder is not entirely blameless from the get-go.

Additionally, if DennisW is correct and the State of Israel was confected out of the blue in reparation for Hitler's sins, I don't much understand why those actually living on the land at the time had to pay the price that was summary eviction. These all are troubling questions and I don't think there are any easy answers. It's certainly not as black and white as you're making it out to be.

There is nothing "immoral" about preserving your own life under attack and in fact Pikuah nefesh (saving life) is one of the pillars of Judaism.

Believe it or not, the "right to life" on which is premised all notions of self-defense and just war is a self-evident concept.

(All evidence to the contrary as Christian and Jew alike embrace the Culture of Death which has killed tens upon tens as many unborn in the womb as Hitler killed in the concentration camps.)

But I'm glad you bring that up. Off-topic, I know, but it's my understanding, though, that -- as at Masada -- sometimes suicide is a viable option as opposed to Christianity where it's an absolute moral evil always.

Is that true or have I misunderstood somehow?


10 posted on 03/21/2003 12:16:59 AM PST by Askel5
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