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Airplane Maker Airbus Industrie Blames American Airlines for 2001 NYC Crash That Killed 265
AP via Tampa Bay Online ^ | 3/20/03 | AP

Posted on 03/20/2003 1:00:18 PM PST by Diddle E. Squat

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To: Prince Charles
Boeing makes their planes with the vertical stabilizer firmly attached to the aft bulkhead with a strong spar. The French, on the other hand, built their Airbus with no such spar -- the entire vertical stabilizer attaches via 6 bolts on the top of the fuselage, making for a much weaker joint. The $64 question is why did those joints fail?

With all the anti-French sentiment out there, I suppose it would be more fun to read the frog-bashing, but quite honestly, this is not an Airbus-only problem. The fact is that the First Officer operated the rudders in such a violent fashion in recovering from the wake of the preceding aircraft, that NO modern jet aircraft would have faired well.

When the aircraft encountered a wake from the previous aircraft, the first officer overrode the yaw damping and pushed the rudder full to one side - immediately, he pushed it the OPPOSITE direction. You ask, it obeys and 3,000 PSI was immediately applied to a rudder the size of a wing of a small corporate jet. The forces on that vertical stabilizer were enormous.

Within about 6 months ALL airline pilots throughout the industry were warned about such odd rudder inputs, and in fact the FAA suggested that the airlines begin RE-training pilots (all pilots should KNOW better) on the dangers of rudder hard overs - especially pilot-induced. I work for an airline that has BOTH Boeings and Airbus. After US Airways #427 (Boeing 737 in which the rudder UNCOMMANDED went into a hard over and loss of aircraft), we had a sobering reminder of what a Boeing looks like impacting the ground at 350 knots going straight down.

Sorry, I have over 10,000 hours in Boeings, and over a 1,000 hours in Airbus - your claim is unjustified. Also, Airbus is over 40% made by Spanish and British.
21 posted on 03/31/2003 7:34:32 AM PST by safisoft
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To: illumini
A BOEING could do Aileron rolls!

Sure. Read my post above. US Airways #427 crashed in Pittsburgh - in similar circumstances, but in that case the pilots did nothing to cause it.

USAir #427 was a Boeing 737-300. The aircraft leveled off at 6,000 and encountered the wake turbulence of a preceding Delta craft. The autopilot was on and the yaw damper functioning. The slight air disturbance caused the rudder shuttle valve to drive the rudder violently into a left yaw to full travel. As any jet airman knows yaw = roll - within a few seconds the aircraft had rolled INVERTED and then 80 degrees NOSE DOWN. Within 10 seconds the aircraft hit the ground going 350 kts killing all aboard instantly. The wreckage was confined to an area the size of the aircraft wingspan. NTSB ruled the cause of the crash a Boeing design flaw, and the rudder shuttle valve manfacturer (third party) also at fault.

Fast forward to 2001. American Airbus aircraft encounters wake turbulence from a prceding aircraft. The aircraft was NOT on autopilot and the First Officer makes a abrupt rudder input to counter act the yaw - with an immediate OPPOSITE rudder input - driving tremendous forces through the entire aircraft.

Now, based upon those 2 stories, which aircaft would you rather fly in - the one that rolls on its back ON ITS OWN and kills everyone, or the one that breaks apart because someone at the controls does not operate it consistent with basic rules of jet airmanship?
22 posted on 03/31/2003 7:44:56 AM PST by safisoft
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To: safisoft
Thats telling em!
Funny how it allways can be attributed to ....."Pilot error"
23 posted on 03/31/2003 7:53:51 AM PST by JETDRVR
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