You mean SJ-30. Typo? Not a direct competitor with Cessna, except the CJ1; notably faster; not yet certified (1986 original design), no manufacturing plant in place. Not quite vaporware, but not quite real; about 150 orders in the book, I think. Well funded by Taiwanese investors (that's the "Sino") in the name.
Neither Vern Raburn nor Jack Pelton see direct competition. Cessna's smallest jet, the Mustang, is about 1.8x the cost of an Eclipse. And Raburn has defined his market as people who do not use general aviation now. Cessna's Citation Mustang market is the pilot/owner moving up from a piston twin or turboprop single.
I am losing a steak dinner bet on this one being certified by 12/31/05. Ain't gonna happen. In fact, the A500 is dragging. I believe that they will ultimately pull it off, at least as far as the 500 goes. As fuel prices rise the 700 looks worse and worse.
Well, that's what the sales literature says. Are you aware that it's supposed to be an amateur-built kit aircraft? FAA has said they will not be certifying it in the amateur built category, which makes it difficult to, like, use. (Not to mention, even amateur-built experimentals, the ones least restricted, can't be used for hire, like as air taxis, a huge market for this class of plane). Epic's reaction, which you can see on their website here, is to make a 4-seat version. (The FAA seems to be conjuring up new prohibitions on experimentals with more than four seats, and/or turbojet power).
FAA has advised Epic to get a type certificate; Epic does not have the half-billion dollars it costs these days to jump through the FAA's endlessly moving array of certification hoops, a process that takes a minimum of three years.
And the underlying premise of the main article, which might have been true in 2003 doesn't seem so. Textron had their conference call today. Cessna forecasts 245 bizjet deliveries in CY 05 and 290 in FY 06. Fifty of the new planes will be the new Citation Mustang (some of which probably would have been CJ1 orders if there was no Mustang).
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"Sino Swearingen (SJ-31)
You mean SJ-30. Typo? Not a direct competitor with Cessna, except the CJ1; notably faster; not yet certified (1986 original design), no manufacturing plant in place. Not quite vaporware, but not quite real; about 150 orders in the book, I think. Well funded by Taiwanese investors (that's the "Sino") in the name."
Yes, typo. Go to their website, there is indeed a manufacturing plant.
"Eclipse Aviation (500)
Neither Vern Raburn nor Jack Pelton see direct competition. Cessna's smallest jet, the Mustang, is about 1.8x the cost of an Eclipse. And Raburn has defined his market as people who do not use general aviation now. Cessna's Citation Mustang market is the pilot/owner moving up from a piston twin or turboprop single."
Like myself, many potential LJ owners have put off purchases while waiting for other options to present themselves. The eclipse is a potential option for some.
"Adam Aircraft (A700)
I am losing a steak dinner bet on this one being certified by 12/31/05. Ain't gonna happen. In fact, the A500 is dragging. I believe that they will ultimately pull it off, at least as far as the 500 goes. As fuel prices rise the 700 looks worse and worse."
There is always 2006 or 2007. Point is, these new entants are going to get market share.
"Safire Aircraft (Safire Jet) Moribund. See here: http://www.safireaircraft.com/pressrel_status.html"
Safire has been at the back of the pack for awhile, not as viable as others.
"and a new turboprop from Epic Aviation (Epic LT) that's as fast as a Citation II.
Well, that's what the sales literature says. Are you aware that it's supposed to be an amateur-built kit aircraft?"
Experimental version is in production now, buyers spend time at the plant involved with the manufacture to satisfy the 51% rule. I have personally seen this aircraft.
" FAA has said they will not be certifying it in the amateur built category, which makes it difficult to, like, use. (Not to mention, even amateur-built experimentals, the ones least restricted, can't be used for hire, like as air taxis, a huge market for this class of plane). Epic's reaction, which you can see on their website here, is to make a 4-seat version. (The FAA seems to be conjuring up new prohibitions on experimentals with more than four seats, and/or turbojet power)."
Epic plans to produce a 7 seat FAA type certificated version for sale in 2008.
Bottom line is that there's no shortage of new entrants into the LJ market, no doubt Cessna is taking notice. This same thing happened back in the early 70's with the light helicopter market when Robinson Helicopter came on the scene.
http://www.robinsonheli.com/
Robinson now produces more light helicopters than any other manufacturer.