Posted on 03/19/2003 12:48:02 AM PST by RJCogburn
s: That is why no government may be permitted to wield the powers you would assign to it.
Game, set, match.
There are already laws about that. These sodomy laws are not confined to public places. No one one this thread has argued for public sex.
LOL -- if it weren't for this goofball law, nobody would have ever heard of John G. Lawrence and Tyron Garner. Thank you for ending the argument with an irrefutable proof that all such laws should be abolished.
Absolutely. It would solve the problems we have today with organ shortages. If I don't own my body, who does?
The way I see it, the person who insists that we need laws to prevent people from having sex with dogs may have some issues himself.
Over here in the Men's Tourney, I can tell you that a society with no self-policing = tyranny.
The problem here is that these costs ARE being pushed off on you. Make those who take these actions responsible for their actions. Allow insurance companies to ask if people are homosexual, and charge accordingly. Let drug addicts who need emergency medical care pay for it, or receive it from charity hospitals who voluntarily serve them.
Those kinds of changes might eliminate your need to "secede". If not, well, it would be a free country and you have the absolute right to choose who to associate with.
People have the right to do anything which does not violate others rights.
The case in point was a private liason. It seems to have been orchestrated so as to be observed by police so homosexuals could make it a test case.
If it is established that you've contracted the ebola virus, is it prudent to let you travel about the country? You say you own your body; how could anyone stop the spread of this virus unless in certain cases, you don't own your body? Hmm?
States don't derive their powers from the United States Constitution.
Read a book.
Sure. If I respect private property rights I have no choice. But I wouldn't take it sitting down. And I wouldn't go crying to government like a little girl. I'd do something to change your mind. Like what?
First I'd discuss the topic with our neighbors. I doubt they'd appreciate your sign. Next, we'd discuss the matter with your employer, and the boycott of his business should he continue to employ you. Then we'd talk to the neighborhood grocer, and he might decline to sell you food, or another boycott would ensue. The same for the electric company, and the gas station, and so on...
Soon, you have no food, no water, no electricity, and no money. All of a sudden our offer to purchase your property starts to sound pretty good. And off you go, and the very next moment we're burning your sign down.
Or we could do it your way. We're too lazy to do any of that. So we violate property rights. And in time the whims of the mob will dictate what and where you can build on what is allegedly your land, who can stay there, what kind of couch you can put on your patio, and on and on.
Liberty isn't easy, and it isn't neat. You have to work for it.
You mean quarantine laws are constitutional? The sky is falling!!!
No, again this is prudence. You cannot go into everyone's bedroom and police them. But you can send a message as to society's disapproval of homosexual behavior by keeping a law like this on the books.Laws that the government has no intention of enforcing consistently invariably cause a lessening of the respect for law in general.
-Eric
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