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Brian Mitchell and Wanda Barzee charged in Elizabeth Smart abduction...
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Posted on 03/18/2003 10:52:54 AM PST by Maedhros

Brian Mitchell and Wanda Barzee charged with kidnapping, sexual assault and burglary in Elizabeth Smart abduction...


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To: Goodman26
On March 14th I wrote to you:
I'll bet you $100 right now that everything is the way it appears...she was kidnapped, brainwashed, watched 24/7...simple as that. Are you up for that?

You wrote to me (posted on 03/14/2003 9:29 AM PST by Goodman26:)
I (and probably half the country) will take that wager, assuming by "kidnapping" we can agree we mean that he used force to remove her from the bedroom. Don't know how it'll be proven, but I suspect, that now that the pressure is on, the little sister will crack under intense questioning by LE, and say that Elizabeth told her to spin that yarn about an intruder brandishing a weapon.

I wrote to you:
In that case, I'll bet you $200.

I know you're an honorable man and will not renege on your bet. I'll Freepmail you my address and I'll let everyone on this forum know when I receive the money. FYI - I can take credit card payment too! 836

281 posted on 03/18/2003 2:50:40 PM PST by Hildy
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To: Hildy
"I know you're an honorable man and will not renege on your bet. "

Hildy,

I wouldn't spend that money in advance. [Grin]
282 posted on 03/18/2003 2:52:35 PM PST by MineralMan
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To: cherry
They are probably protecting her better than you or I could. I think your bias is showing!
283 posted on 03/18/2003 2:53:23 PM PST by landerwy
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To: FITZ
Some people seem glad to hear she was degraded so terribly because they can say they were right all along

Well, now. I can really only speak for myself in saying that I was glad not to have my bubble popped about my original perception of Elizabeth's virtuous nature. And I am very glad she is alive.

But I am certainly not glad that she went through what she did.

284 posted on 03/18/2003 2:54:14 PM PST by Yeti
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To: MineralMan
"They certainly did, and they used the media to do it."

ah...now there's the rub.....

I personally believe that on the night of the kidnapping that there was some evidence that made Ed believe that this was a polygmist type of abduction....by his and his family's words, by his actions, by the partial description of the perp....

I think some info was kept from the public and maybe even the cops....

I think that was done to protect certain interests...

I think if the public and the cops knew more than ES would have been found sooner....

I think like maybe even THAT day....you know that one of the aunts actually saw Mitchell on the day of the kidnapping don't you?

I can not stand the thought of raking this girl over the coals again....even if some fly-by_night movie company attempts to make a film about this, they at least will not have access to ES....

how can anyone support tearing this girl apart AGAIN?....

285 posted on 03/18/2003 2:56:28 PM PST by cherry
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To: FITZ
"Some people seem glad to hear she was degraded so terribly because they can say they were right all along "

No, not at all. We're all horrified that this young girl had to go throught such an ordeal. We just aren't into implicating this innocent kid in her own situation. She _didn't_ do anything wrong. Her parents _didn't_ do anything wrong.

That's what we've been saying all along. Mitchell _did_ do something wrong, and he'll pay for it. Elizabeth has the support of her family, her church, her friends, and will recover. She's a strong young person and people do recover from even worse things.

I just hope she never sees what was written about here on Free Republic. Now that was shameful. But, her parents will probably protect her from that nastiness.
286 posted on 03/18/2003 2:57:40 PM PST by MineralMan
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To: cherry
HMM. I thought she had two parents. My mistake.
287 posted on 03/18/2003 3:16:43 PM PST by CindyDawg
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288 posted on 03/18/2003 3:17:50 PM PST by Utah Girl ("We must stop evil before it becomes too powerful." - Elie Weisel.)
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To: Maedhros; Utah Girl; All
From the probable Cause statement by police:
after Mitchell abducted Smart from her bedroom, the teenager, dressed in her pajamas, was "compelled at knifepoint" to walk four miles up a mountain trail to a "concealed campsite." There, Barzee directed Smart to remove her pajamas. When the teenager balked, Barzee "threatened to have Mitchell forcibly remove" the child's clothing. Barzee then aided Mitchell in the sexual assault of Smart."
If this is shown to have been the case, and I believe it will be so shown, then both of these animals need to be executed IMHO. Sorry, but they can plead their case on the other side of Jordan somewhere ... probbaly sonewhere way far to the south. I know Utah will not hand out such a penalty, but it is what is deserved, and it is how society cures itself of this particular malady IMHO ... I do not believe you can rehabilitate such an one ... I am not willing to risk my own on the chance put forth by those who say you can. I also would not want my own tax monies going to the upkeep of such vermon.

Some of the other posters who have been trying to somehow blame the girl need to read this and offer up their apologies IMHO. They sexually assaulted her (and in my book, irrespective of the legal wrangling, that's rape) and they threatened to kill her family if she didn't do as they said.

They are rabid animals that need the same kind of healing any other rabid animal gets.

Sorry, but with three daughters of my own, I have to say it the way it is.

Jeff

289 posted on 03/18/2003 3:40:58 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
It's at times like these when an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth sounds mighty appropriate.
290 posted on 03/18/2003 3:46:30 PM PST by Utah Girl ("We must stop evil before it becomes too powerful." - Elie Weisel.)
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To: Utah Girl
Section 1201. Kidnapping

Whoever unlawfully seizes, confines, inveigles, decoys, kidnaps, abducts, or carries away and holds any person who has not attained the age of eighteen when the person is willfully transported in interstate or foreign commerce.
291 posted on 03/18/2003 3:49:21 PM PST by HuntsvilleTxVeteran (chIRAQ & sadDAM are bedfellows & clinton is a raping traitor!)
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To: Catspaw
"Amd Mitchell and Barzee were charged with aggravated sexual assault. I'm not going to go into any further, but just to say that aggravated sexual assault is toughest charge a prosecutor can make when it comes to sexual assault/rape."

My understanding is that the term "aggravated" is used to describe a crime that was committed during the commission of another crime. So if they sexually assaulted her after kidnapping her, that would be "aggravated" sexual assault.

292 posted on 03/18/2003 3:49:58 PM PST by Henrietta
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To: MineralMan
She recovered. So will Elizabeth

I sure hope so ----but really I wish I was reading she had run away and hadn't gone through this kind of hell ----she's barely older than my own daughter.

293 posted on 03/18/2003 3:50:41 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Yeti
Mitchell and Barzee aren't the only ones to blame ---a society that allows a known child sexual abuser to run freely is just as much to blame. Mitchell should have been locked up forever years ago ----he'll probably get off on some insanity plea ---and there will be those who defend him on the grounds he was insane. Barzee too ---she sounds as much guilty as he was.
295 posted on 03/18/2003 3:53:21 PM PST by FITZ
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To: FITZ
Except in Utah we've got the guilty and insane law. If those two are found guilty, they'll go to the state mental hospital. When they're cured, they get sent to prison to START serving time.
296 posted on 03/18/2003 3:59:34 PM PST by Utah Girl ("We must stop evil before it becomes too powerful." - Elie Weisel.)
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To: All
Self-Proclaimed Prophet, Wife Charged With Kidnapping, Sexual Assault in Smart Disappearance

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Mitchell then "raped or attempted to rape her, or commit forcible sexual abuse against her," with Barzee's help, Yocom said. At some point, the girl was restrained with a cable around her foot that was tethered to a tree, he said.

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The district attorney said Tuesday that Mitchell now wants to represent himself.

Source here

297 posted on 03/18/2003 3:59:35 PM PST by RecentConvert (Let's control immigration before immigration controls us.)
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To: Yeti
She was sheltered. It's probably the best way to parent, if you can keep them well-sheltered until they are young adults with fairly strong identities.

Sort of sheltered ---but not very if they actually brought this pedophile child rapist to their home where he met her. I'm not sure if that's how he met her but from the stories it was.

298 posted on 03/18/2003 3:59:59 PM PST by FITZ
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To: Utah Girl; Squantos; Travis McGee
It was a law that much of our own was fashioned upon.

Understand ... I am not out for vengence or pure retribution. Just the stone cold reality that sick people like this will strike again if given the opportunity and that others, yet to strike, need to see what the absolute and final consequences of those actions will be. Society, whiile having pity on, and hoping for their eternal souls, must protect and defend itself just like any individual. Would to God that Elizabeth had been trained in the use of and had close at hand a .44 Magnum that night.

If people like this repent before God before the consequences befall them, that is fine, it will serve them well at the judgement bar of Christ.

Best regards.

299 posted on 03/18/2003 4:00:36 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Utah Girl
When they're cured, they get sent to prison to START serving time.

Will they be kept locked up forever? He at least should already have been locked up ---they both need the death penalty ---what purpose is there in keeping these maggots alive?

300 posted on 03/18/2003 4:03:01 PM PST by FITZ
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