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George's big mistake was to listen to Tony
dailytelegraph.co.uk ^ | 16/03/2003 | Anne Applebaum

Posted on 03/15/2003 9:25:31 PM PST by Destro

George's big mistake was to listen to Tony

By Anne Applebaum

(Filed: 16/03/2003)

Practically nobody is willing to say it, so let us be as frank as possible: the decision to conduct the invasion of Iraq in consultation with the United Nations - a decision taken by President George W Bush partly to mollify his friend Tony Blair - has been utterly disastrous. Even if it proves possible to bribe Guinea and Angola and Chile into voting for a second UN resolution - even if the French, miraculously, change their minds about the whole thing tomorrow - the diplomatic events of the past week will go down in history as the most embarassing for the United States and Britain in a long time.

Despite cajoling and bribery and flattery, Colin Powell and Jack Straw have found it nearly impossible to persuade the UN Security Council of the necessity of deposing Saddam Hussein by military force. Even Mexico, a country dependent on American trade, has refused to go along easily. Even Mr Bush's new best friend, Vladimir Putin, doesn't seem interested in co-operating.

There are three explanations for the disaster, each propounded, to various degrees, by different factions here in Washington, and each with some merit. One of them, the "I-told-you-so" faction, argues that all of this was inevitable, and that the real mistake was to go through the UN at all.

Even last autumn, when the Security Council seemed prepared to accept the American request for a "last chance" round of weapons inspections in Iraq, some feared a trap. If the inspectors found weapons, that would prove that Saddam was co-operating. If the inspectors did not find weapons, that would prove he didn't have weapons. In the event, the opponents of an invasion have managed to cite both the paucity of weapons and Saddam's belated, reluctant destruction of a handful of rockets as reasons not to invade. The result: the inspections process itself became an excuse to oppose war, as many predicted it would.

Alternatively, blame can be (and is, rather loudly) laid upon Mr Bush. He is at fault, to begin with, for failing to consult America's allies until last autumn, when preparations for war were already under way. He is also to blame for hitching the UN process to the American military's timetable, which dictates a war in the spring and not in the summer. If it were not for that, the inspections could just continue for a few more months, until all of the members of the Security Council had been shamed into admitting that the process had degenerated into farce. There would then be no need for a second resolution, no reason for Mr Bush and Mr Blair to humiliate themselves begging the Security Council members for their support.

Finally, there is a good, and not entirely sarcastic, case for blaming the French president, Jacques Chirac. His vehement refusal to countenance any kind of war in Iraq seems to have taken even Colin Powell by surprise. Without France's loud opposition, and without President Chirac's claim that this is all about "American power", not about Iraq, it is hard to see how Guinea and Mexico would have had the nerve to stand up against the United States, and hard to see how this would have evolved into the diplomatic disaster that it has become.

But that is the past. In the present, the flawed UN process, Mr Bush's lackadaisical attitude to alliances and French obstructionism have brought us to an extremely odd moment in diplomatic history. Weirdly, the fate of Mr Bush, of Mr Blair, and possibly of the international system itself, at least the one we have known since 1945, are now dependent on the results of a war in an obscure patch of Middle Eastern desert.

If the war is a great victory, if it lasts just a few days, and if it results in a democratic Iraq, Mr Bush will get a chance of being re-elected, Mr Blair will be vindicated, France will be cowed. A new Nato will probably rise from the ashes, centred on the "new" Europe: America, Britain, Spain, eastern Europe. The UN Security Council could lose its role as a body which blesses American interventions. The ability of European states such as Britain and Spain to make their own foreign policy, outside the European Union, will be strengthened.

But the war does not have to be lost to produce quite a different result. If it lasts much longer than it is supposed to do, if it degenerates into civil war, if the fighting in Baghdad is bloody and chaotic and expensive, then the aftermath may look quite different. President Bush may be finished, along with Mr Blair and Nato. France and Germany will once again be the most important countries in the EU. The next US president will think twice before doing anything without UN approval, and the next British prime minister will think twice before involving himself in foreign adventures without the explicit permission of his European colleagues.

There is an analogy with Suez here, although it is not precise. If the lesson of Suez was that Britain can't do anything without America, the lesson of a botched war in Iraq will be that a British prime minister can no longer make foreign policy outside the confines of the EU or act in defiance of Germany and France. The stakes are high here, much higher than the mere political futures of Mr Bush and Mr Blair. It is disturbing to think how much damage Saddam's Iraq, even in defeat, might still be able to wreak.

Anne Applebaum is on the editorial board of the Washington Post


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: iraq
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To: bart99
Can someone tell me how to address a post to "all" as I've seen done here on occasion. I'm still a newbie.

And I'm wondering why no one ever responds to my comments. I can't be that ignorant or dumb.

Or...... maybe I can. *sigh*
81 posted on 03/15/2003 10:47:49 PM PST by bart99
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To: Hugin
what bothers me is you neglected to read the linked article below by one of my fsvorite conservative Americans - how Rumsfled is pretty much hated in the Pentagon...or is that a false story too?
82 posted on 03/15/2003 10:49:35 PM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
The UN ploy was useful. First, it was only used to build up the troops to sufficient levels. And second, it has shown the world (but most importantly, U.S. citizens) just how useless the UN is. Now the U.S. can pull out of the UN and then kick their worthless a$$es out of the U.S. for good. Once the war starts all this foot dragging will be forgotten, a non-issue. Once again, the President was masterful, using the UN and then discarding it, like a cheap French whore. Kind of reminds one of Bill Clinton.
83 posted on 03/15/2003 10:50:19 PM PST by Contra
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To: bart99
And I'm wondering why no one ever responds to my comments. I can't be that ignorant or dumb. Or...... maybe I can. *sigh*

Yes, most have heard about them. But not in the past few days.

Don't worry about not being responded to. Many of us get ignored....Don't worry, sometimes you'll wish they didn't respond.....LOL.....

85 posted on 03/15/2003 10:51:07 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Democratshavenobrains
Exactly.

ANd, Ms. Applebaum, don't call MY president by his first name! It's Mr. President. :-D
86 posted on 03/15/2003 10:52:40 PM PST by lawgirl (Running from the Grand Ennui)
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To: All
Try it like this....ALL.....
87 posted on 03/15/2003 10:53:00 PM PST by Joe Hadenuf
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To: Contra
One wonders what Clinton, or Gore, would have done after 9/11.

I'd hate to think of the liberal left, with all their agendas and general diregard for national defense and national security, what they might have done.

I think we are fortunate to have Bush now, and his cabinet.... even with some friction here and there.

The war on terrorism ALONG with the war on Iraq has to have some bumps in the road. I think Bush has done a masterful job.
88 posted on 03/15/2003 10:54:54 PM PST by bart99
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To: Joe Hadenuf
Thanks for the respond..... sometimes I'd rather get flamed than get ignored *L*
89 posted on 03/15/2003 10:57:59 PM PST by bart99
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To: Hugin
my primary concern is his foreign policy, which from our point of view has been exemplary. Fair enough?

The execution of said foreign policy has neither been exemplary nor has its execution.

In this way maybe Blair is Churchillian (as much as it pains me to call a Labourite after that great Torie).

Winston had his heart and mind in the right place (pun also intended) but his strategic executions were great failures. Gallipoli was his idea and it was a huge failure and he thought Italy was the soft underbelly of Nazi Europe and it was not. Both of Winston's failures delayed the ends of both World Wars.

90 posted on 03/15/2003 10:58:47 PM PST by Destro (Fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: All
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just testing
91 posted on 03/15/2003 10:59:36 PM PST by bart99
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To: Destro
what bothers me is you neglected to read the linked article below by one of my fsvorite conservative Americans - how Rumsfled is pretty much hated in the Pentagon...or is that a false story too?

I've read articles like that before. There are certainly a lot of folks in the Pentagon whose toes Rumsfeld has stepped on. I don't doubt that a lot of them complain to the press about it. Rummy's job is to reform the military. He is in my mind the perfect man for the job, and if some of the brass don't like it, too bad. Rumsfeld was voted one of the 10 toughest bosses in the US when he was in civilian life, so I'm not surprised that some people are going to complain.

Sorry to hear that Robert Novak is one of your favorite "conservative" American authors. He has always been totally pro-Arab, and an appologist for Arafat and the Saudis. I put little credence in what he has to say.

93 posted on 03/15/2003 11:02:28 PM PST by Hugin
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To: jimmyBEEgood
That's 20% over the 50 - 60% that already felt the the UN wasn't functional.

OK..... time for bed.... late on the east coast

You all have a good night.
94 posted on 03/15/2003 11:04:42 PM PST by bart99
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To: bart99
One wonders what Clinton, or Gore, would have done after 9/11.

They would use 9/11 to continue to deplete the military and not replenish it and continue to social engineer it.

95 posted on 03/15/2003 11:05:44 PM PST by Consort
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To: Destro
Don't forget colink powellsky. He's the globalist butt-kissing fool that should have been fired and at least disregarded long ago...
96 posted on 03/15/2003 11:06:06 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Why do business with gerdung firms?)
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To: Hugin
The genisis of the pentagon/military reaction to Rumsfield is that he has a tendency to micromanage things. I'm not sure that's still true though..... just too much going on.

97 posted on 03/15/2003 11:07:18 PM PST by bart99
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To: Jim Robinson
Well said. I will add what you didn't; his name is Colin Powell...
98 posted on 03/15/2003 11:07:27 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Why do business with gerdung firms?)
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To: Mark Hamilton
Amen, Amen and Amen.
99 posted on 03/15/2003 11:09:31 PM PST by ApesForEvolution (Why do business with gerdung firms?)
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