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U.S. Names Iraqis Who Would Face War Crimes Trial
The New York Times ^ | 03/16/03 | ELISABETH BUMILLER

Posted on 03/15/2003 12:17:31 PM PST by Pokey78

WASHINGTON, March 15 — For the first time, the Bush administration has identified several senior Iraqi officials, including Saddam Hussein's two sons, who would be tried for war crimes or crimes against humanity after an American-led attack on Iraq, a senior American official said today.

In addition to Mr. Hussein himself, the list includes members of his inner circle who sit atop a hierarchy of 2,000 members of the Iraqi elite who were previously identified by American intelligence agencies. But only now are the names of the top group being made public.

Administration officials said they had planned to send the list of people to Baghdad with a delegation from the Arab League in hopes of persuading the men to leave the country with Mr. Hussein as way to avoid a war. But the league, consumed by internal bickering and a brush-off from the Iraqi government, called off the trip that had been planned for Friday.

Administration officials said they were making the list public now partly out of frustration, but also as part of the continuing psychological campaign against the Iraqi elite. President Bush and his senior advisers have repeatedly warned Mr. Hussein's loyalists that they have a choice between exile or prosecution.

In addition to Mr. Hussein's two sons, Uday and Qusay, the list included Ali Hassan al-Hamid, who was the governor of Iraqi-occupied Kuwait in 1990-91, and Muhammad Hamza al-Zubaidi, who the administration says was responsible for atrocities against the the Shiites living in southern Iraq in early 1991.

"This is the group that we would expect to depart if there's a departure or that we'd expect to apprehend if there's a use of force," a senior administration official said. "They are wanted for the crimes of the regime."

If they were to leave and there was a new leadership willing to disarm the country, the official said, then it could avoid war. But the chances of that appeared ever dimmer today as Mr. Bush prepared at Camp David for an emergency summit meeting on Sunday in the Azores, in the Atlantic Ocean, to discuss final options for diplomacy with Prime Minister Tony Blair of Britain and Prime Minister José María Aznar of Spain.

In his national radio address this morning, Mr. Bush said bluntly that "there is little reason to hope that Saddam Hussein will disarm" without the use of force.

In Iraq, in a development that could complicate American war plans, the Foreign Ministry said that a top aide to Mr. Hussein had invited the chief United Nations weapons inspectors, Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei, to visit Baghdad "as quickly as possible" to discuss disarmament.

United Nations officials said the two men would consult with the Security Council on Monday on whether to accept the invitation.

In Russia, Deputy Foreign Minister Yuri Fedotov said the United States and Britain were refusing to discuss any substantive changes to the draft resolution that the two countries and Spain had proposed to the Security Council, precluding a compromise with Russia, France and other Council members who want more time for inspections in Iraq before authorizing any attack. He spoke in an interview with the ITAR-Tass news agency.

Around the world, including in Washington, protesters assembled to demonstrate against the impending war. But Mr. Bush continued to make what he called a moral case for war, which he still maintains would be a last resort.

In his radio address, Mr. Bush reminded his listeners that it was the 15th "bitter anniversary" of Mr. Hussein's chemical weapons attack on the Iraqi Kurdish village of Halabja.

The attack, Mr. Bush said, "provided a glimpse of the crimes Saddam Hussein is willing to commit, and the kind of threat he now presents to the entire world."

Using some of his most graphic language yet in describing Mr. Hussein's Iraq, Mr. Bush added: "We know from human rights groups that dissidents in Iraq are tortured, imprisoned and sometimes just disappear. Their hands, feet and tongues are cut off, their eyes are gouged out, and female relatives are raped in their presence."

Mr. Bush, seeming to prepare the nation for war, said that if force was required to disarm Mr. Hussein, "the American people can know that our armed forces have been given every tool and every resource to achieve victory."

The president then turned his remarks to the Iraqis, and said that "the people of Iraq can know that every effort will be made to spare innocent life, and to help Iraq recover from three decades of totalitarian rule."

In Kuwait, as troops in the teeming desert base of Camp Virginia waited for orders to invade Iraq, the commander of the Army's V Corps said that the United States would not seek specifically to kill Mr. Hussein. In an interview Friday, the commander, Lt. Gen. William S. Wallace, said that the United States military instead planned to destroy the infrastructure and government controlled by Mr. Hussein to open the way for a representative government.

Mr. Hussein's fate was secondary, General Wallace said, even though he expected fighting to be concentrated in and around Baghdad. The Pentagon has long pointed out that as a military commander, Mr. Hussein would be a legitimate target, as would anyone in an Iraqi command post. The White House has said that if there is a war, he will not be allowed to stay in power.

"The regime is the target, not one individual," General Wallace said.

"Saddam is representative of that government, and eliminating him or making him a target is not necessary for the toppling of the regime. I don't care what happens to him, as long as what is left in his aftermath is a foundation for a new Iraqi state."

The other Iraqi officials on the Bush administration's short list for prosecution included Aziz Salih Numan, the second governor of Iraqi-occupied Kuwait; Izzat Ibrahim, the deputy commander in chief of the Iraqi military, who is close to Mr. Hussein; Abid Hamid al-Tikriti, the presidential secretary who is considered Mr. Hussein's alter ego; and Hani Abd al-Latif Tilfah, the director of the special security organization that the administration said is in charge of hiding Iraq's weapons of mass destruction.

The administration said that Mr. Hussein's son Uday was responsible for ordering torture, rape and looting of dissident communities within Iraq and that his son Qusay oversees the special security organization and the elite Republican Guards.

Mr. Bush spent his day making what the White House said were diplomatic calls to prepare for the Azores meeting, which the administration has billed as a final chance to bring a deeply divided United Nations together on an ultimatum that Mr. Hussein disarm. The United States, Britain and Spain offered a draft Security Council resolution that would give Mr. Hussein a deadline of Monday to disarm or face an attack, but so far the only other nation on the 15-member Security Council to openly support it has been Bulgaria.

This morning, Mr. Bush spoke for at least the fifth time this week to his closest ally, Mr. Blair. He also spoke to Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi of Italy, who supports the administration on Iraq.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: campvirginia; dubyaslist; halabja; warcrimestrial; warlist
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1 posted on 03/15/2003 12:17:31 PM PST by Pokey78
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To: Pokey78
"The regime is the target, not one individual,"

But I'll be you a dollar to a doughnut that there's a 'bonus plan' in place!

2 posted on 03/15/2003 12:24:21 PM PST by ErnBatavia ((bumperootus!))
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To: Pokey78; PhiKapMom; Wphile; hchutch; mhking; Grampa Dave; Miss Marple; Wait4Truth
Uh oh....W made another list!!!
3 posted on 03/15/2003 12:25:16 PM PST by Dog ( Groundhog Day II -- the Sequel.....America held hostage by the UN.......where everyday is the same)
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To: Dog
Uh oh....W made another list!!!

Yeah, Dubya looks bad whenever he makes these lists and then cant find them after he knocks over their house. Perhaps he shouldnt make these lists public until after he has possession of their scalps.

4 posted on 03/15/2003 12:29:19 PM PST by Samurai_Jack
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To: Dog
I hope that insufferable Tarik Aziz is on the list.
5 posted on 03/15/2003 12:34:36 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Pokey78
Administration officials said they were making the list public now partly out of frustration, but also as part of the continuing psychological campaign against the Iraqi elite.

I laugh when I see nonsense like this. Does the Times really think we would believe "administration officials" would say this? Doesn't it kinda let the cat outta the bag?

I don't mind the New York Times making things but couldn't they be a little less blatant about it?

Jeez...

6 posted on 03/15/2003 12:36:00 PM PST by blake6900
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To: *war_list
http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list
7 posted on 03/15/2003 12:36:45 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Pokey78
In his radio address, Mr. Bush reminded his listeners that it was the 15th "bitter anniversary" of Mr. Hussein's chemical weapons attack on the Iraqi Kurdish village of Halabja.

But forgot to mention that it's the 12th bitter anniversary of U.N. resolutions also.

8 posted on 03/15/2003 12:36:51 PM PST by EGPWS
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To: Pokey78
"In Iraq, in a development that could complicate American war plans, the Foreign Ministry said that a top aide to Mr. Hussein had invited the chief United Nations weapons inspectors, Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei, to visit Baghdad "as quickly as possible" to discuss disarmament."

NYT, what can you expect? This is assinine. This will in no way complicate our plans. If Blix and Buddy are so foolish to go then they get what they deserve (I would like to have Blix and Buddy tried for crimes against humanity for covering for the BREW DALL dictator and his regine --- they know full well what they are doing). I hope they realize the stupidity of going, and stay home, but if they don't, then shucks, you pay your money, you take your chances.
9 posted on 03/15/2003 12:39:23 PM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Pokey78
Tick...tick....tick....
10 posted on 03/15/2003 12:54:39 PM PST by mhking (Fasten your seatbelts....We're goin' in!)
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To: Pokey78
War Crimes? Just crop a BLU82 on their compound.
11 posted on 03/15/2003 12:58:45 PM PST by rs79bm (No more fireworks at Euro Disney, it caused all the French army soldiers to surrender)
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To: All
Weather forecast for the 17th of March in Baghdad, and for the 18th of March. Rapid change warnings for the 18th!

No nukes just a lot of MOABs and other devices turning parts of Iraq into hell for the buddies of SoDamned on GW's special Iraq list!

12 posted on 03/15/2003 1:02:22 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Stamp out Freepathons! Stop being a Freep Loader! Become a monthly donor!)
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To: Cap Huff
>>Mr. Hussein had invited the chief United Nations weapons inspectors, Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei, to visit Baghdad <<

Note to Hans Blix: I wouldn't go there if I were you.
13 posted on 03/15/2003 1:26:03 PM PST by Jeff Chandler ( ;)
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To: Pokey78
THe administration has published a list of whom the generals should expeditie with extreme prejudice
14 posted on 03/15/2003 1:31:06 PM PST by uncbob ( building tomorrow)
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To: Jeff Chandler
I wonder whether anyone has ever been awarded a posthumus Nobel Peace Prize?
15 posted on 03/15/2003 1:39:21 PM PST by Cap Huff
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To: Pokey78
That's assuming they survive...which is questionable at best...
16 posted on 03/15/2003 1:40:17 PM PST by mhking (Fasten your seatbelts....We're goin' in!)
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To: Pokey78
Fox News ran a piece about the war crimes and atrocities committed by Iraq during their occupation of Kuwait. More than 700 Kuwaitis are thought to be still in detention in Iraq after being "transported". The Iraqis left behind 18 tons of incriminating documents in their haste to depart Kuwait city. A Kuwaiti lawyer has built a case against more than 200 members of the Baath party based on that evidence and the testimony of those who survived the Iraqi occupation.
17 posted on 03/15/2003 1:50:44 PM PST by jpthomas
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To: blake6900
it doesn't matter - what's important is that the people who've contacted us and agreed to join allied effort are now being assured they're not on the list! and for those who've we threatened that they will be to know that they are.
18 posted on 03/15/2003 1:56:46 PM PST by Steven W.
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To: jpthomas
18 tons? they were only there for about 9 months, working for the Iraqi government must be a beurocratic nightmare.
19 posted on 03/15/2003 2:07:56 PM PST by Husker24
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To: uncbob

20 posted on 03/15/2003 2:12:28 PM PST by AntiDemocrat
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