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To: SteveH
Sorry, posted too early.

You're presuming the words of the grieving mother and the dealer's are uncontested facts. Yes, the girl is dead, and it seems that the escalation of violence was begun on her part, not theirs. She rammed other vehicles first, obviously not caring that there may have been people in them.

If the truth is somewhere in between, I favor the DEA.
19 posted on 03/13/2003 9:24:21 AM PST by theDentist (So..... This is Virginia..... where are all the virgins?)
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To: theDentist
Yes, the girl is dead, and it seems that the escalation of violence was begun on her part, not theirs.

Uhh, blockading the normal progress of a car on a street at night from front and rear is not an initiation of violence? What if someone did that to you?

She rammed other vehicles first, obviously not caring that there may have been people in them.

Again you seem predisposed to one side of the story. Why? Clue for you: what happens when a foot is taken off the accelerator pedal in a car with an automatic and stuck in "Drive" after the driver has been disabled?

If the truth is somewhere in between, I favor the DEA.

Well, one thing is damned well sure. The 14 year old girl you've condemned to death after the fact won't be getting any jury trial. Not that it seems to bother the cops involved. Or you.

21 posted on 03/13/2003 9:42:22 AM PST by SteveH
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To: theDentist
I follow the following rules regarding guns:

(1) Assume every gun is loaded.
(2) Don't point the gun at someone unless you intend to pull the trigger.

These are standard safety gun rules.

Now, if I ever find myself in a situation where non-uniformed people are pointing guns at me while I am in a car, I must assume that they are going to fire at me (see rules 1 and 2 above.) Therefore, I must use the car as a weapon and in self defense I will do my best to run them over.

Which is why, as other posters have noted, arresting officers should always be in uniform, and badged. Otherwise it is reasonable to assume that men with unmarked cars, wearing civilian clothes are:
(a) carjackers
(b) kidnappers
(c) terrorists

Logically, under the circumstances, one should always attempt to run down non-uniformed personnel who are pointing guns at you. And I am not joking. People are kidnapped and then robbed, raped, and murdered every day in this country. One must defend oneself as best as one can.

Now -- in this particular case -- no one really knows all the details. But it was clearly foolish for the police to not have had some uniformed officers on hand if they were expecting to make an arrest. Nor would it have been a big deal to get out of the way and then just follow the 14 year old driver. They could have had plainly marked cars arrive, turn on lights and siren, and things would have turned out differently.

40 posted on 03/13/2003 10:26:10 AM PST by dark_lord
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