[eshu]

Welcome to the USSA!

[eshu]

Funniest line in the whole article:

"We're going to make our case why basically suspending the Constitution could have an adverse effect on conservatives, either under this administration or under a future administration," he said.

[TLBSHOW]

The only group that needs their rights raked over is the bloody islam cult! Get them out of America! Don't spy on Americans don't take Americans rights away but ban Islam the enemy!

[Libertarianize the GOP]

http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/bump-list

[asformeandformyhouse]

1...2...3...4...5

Just counting the seconds until someone from the 'if you've got nothing to hide, you've go nothing to fear' crowd makes an entrance.

[Jim Robinson]

"We need a requiem mass for the Fourth Amendment, because it's gone."

No, what we need is a good old fashioned revival.

[Ancesthntr]

Liberal critics have directed much of their worry at what they saw as an attack on immigrants' rights in the Patriot Act, the massive measure that was passed as the country was reeling from the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

Now, right-leaning groups such as the American Conservative Union, the Eagle Forum and Gun Owners of America say they are concerned that American citizens could also be victimized by what they say are unconstitutional law enforcement powers allowed by the Patriot and the potential enhancement act.

Ah, I see, the Lieberals are primarily concerned with the rights of immigrants, whereas "right-leaning groups" are concerned that this monstrosity could be used in an unconstitutional way against Americans. Lets guess why the Dems lost the Senate a few months back.

Michael Hammond, a consultant with Gun Owners of America, which has more than 200,000 members, echoed those concerns, and said that the vague definition given to the term "terrorist" is extremely troubling.

"We have some serious concerns and part of our concerns spring from the fact that some of our members are part of the so-called militia movement," Hammond said. "We're looking into whether some of these groups or even the NRA [National Rifle Association] could be designated terrorists by this or a future administration."

This is the crux of the matter - the unfettered power that a future administration will have. No matter how people feel about Bush, I don't think that any rational person believes that he will be a party to the rounding up of whole groups of people. But how about Hillary and gun owners, or Hillary and most Freepers? This makes the skin crawl.

[shostang]

I believe this is Bill # S22. I could be wrong, but I have seen this bill called the Patriot Act II bill before. Here is a link to the bill. It is not being sponsored by conservatives.

http://capwiz.com/acu/webreturn/?url=http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:s.22:

[Edit35]

This claim that the Patriot Act is standing the constitution on its head is pure crap.

Why?
Two points: As a newspaper reporter, I talk to hundreds of people every week and I have yet to come across anyone (either American or immigrant Muslim) who is aghast at having their rights invaded, either overtly or covertly (and I hear some doozies, believe me)

Point Two: If this Patriot bill passes, there will STILL be a check valve with oversight by a Judge and others in the Judicial system. I have confidence there will not be rampant dead of the night information invasions by some off-the-deep end brown shirts, as is claimed by some.

To wrap it up, this tirade against the patriot act is pure folly. This country, in a time of threats and war, needs to check for subersives. As long as we do it in a judicious mannor, it is OK with me.

[jimt]

Any law attempting to do the things stated in the article is completely unacceptable.

[cavtrooper21]

Department of Homeland Security
Or
Committee For State Security (KGB)
Take your pick.

[SUSSA]

The opposite ends of the political spectrum are coming together over the war on terror, but not in the way Attorney General John Ashcroft may have wanted. Some conservative groups are finding common ground with organizations such as the American Civil Liberties Union and the Bill of Rights Defense Council, expressing concerns about the effect that the USA Patriot Act and a possible follow-up law, the Domestic Security Enhancement Act, could have on civil liberties.

Thank God!! It's about time! The Bill of Rights is being gutted and up to now very few were saying anything about it. Hopefully, things are changing.

[Tolerance Sucks Rocks]

...federal agents could secretly arrest people and provide no information to their family, the media or their attorney until charges are brought, no matter how long that took...

Hello Third World! We'll be a laughingstock in the human rights community if this debacle passes! (Wouldn't surprise me if W signs it, however.)

[glock rocks]

bonk.