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Ordered to Die Quietly
Arutz Sheva ^ | 3-11-03 | Emanuel A. Winston

Posted on 03/11/2003 10:55:48 AM PST by SJackson

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1 posted on 03/11/2003 10:55:48 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
What international support? Who, other than India, perhaps Turkey under the table, and the US supports Israel?
2 posted on 03/11/2003 10:58:02 AM PST by My2Cents ("...The bombing begins in 5 minutes.")
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To: SJackson
I don't believe this report.
3 posted on 03/11/2003 10:58:24 AM PST by carton253
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Yehuda; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; ...
If you'd like to be on or off this middle east/political ping list, please FR mail me.
4 posted on 03/11/2003 10:58:47 AM PST by SJackson
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To: SJackson
US President George W. Bush, through Secretary of State Colin Powell, has given notice to Israel that, should Saddam attack Israel and should Israel respond, Israel would forfeit all international support.

Somehow I find this very, very hard to believe...
5 posted on 03/11/2003 11:00:13 AM PST by apillar
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To: carton253
I have a hard time believing this as well. I know Alouette and others will lambast me for saying this, but Arutz Sheva reporting is exactly always reliable to say the least. I have no idea why they would try to drive a wedge between Israel and the U.S. like this.
6 posted on 03/11/2003 11:01:21 AM PST by anotherview
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To: SJackson
Who is this guy? Is he credible or just another Bush-hating malcontent. I can't see any real "International support" for Israel. I can picture us laying down some guidelines to ensure we aren't interfered with, or maybe even to buy a little time before having to wage war on another Islaamic front, but I've heard Ari Fleischer mention on several occassions that "Israel has a right to protect herslef."
7 posted on 03/11/2003 11:01:23 AM PST by trebb
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To: apillar
Yeah, I believe this about as far as I can throw Arutz SHeva's ships. I think the Ministry of Communications needs to finish shutting down ALL the pirate radio stations, including Arutz Sheva.

Oh, and yeah, I'll take heat for this from their supporters.
8 posted on 03/11/2003 11:02:39 AM PST by anotherview
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To: SJackson
If Saddam uses WMDs on Israel, Sharon WILL nuke Iraq.
9 posted on 03/11/2003 11:04:45 AM PST by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, Zoolander)
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To: anotherview
I get the Arutz Sheva daily briefing and so far they seem to be okay... I don't read them all so I can't say how accurate they are. But I like what I've read.

This report is the exact opposite of what Dubya has been saying.

10 posted on 03/11/2003 11:05:11 AM PST by carton253
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To: SJackson
First off, thanks for the ping.

Secondly...

US President George W. Bush, through Secretary of State Colin Powell, has given notice to Israel that, should Saddam attack Israel and should Israel respond, Israel would forfeit all international support.

This has got to be BS. If it isn't, how arrogant and rude is it to say, "If you are attcked, don't do anything!"?????

11 posted on 03/11/2003 11:06:07 AM PST by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: anotherview
Should I ditch Arutz Sheva as being inaccurate...

In your post to me you made it sound like they were okay... In the next post not.

Don't want to be reading bum information...

12 posted on 03/11/2003 11:06:35 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Note the source, Ha’aretz . It's an overreaction to the last line of the article.

U.S. military plugs Israel into real-time war monitoring

Unprecedented access to command intelligence aims to keep IDF out of Iraq conflict

By Nathan Guttman

WASHINGTON - Israel and the United States have set up a joint command post next to the U.S. embassy in Tel Aviv at which Israeli army officers will be able to view real-time pictures of the movements of American war planes over Iraq in the event of a war.

In addition, an American early warning system that is hooked directly into U.S. intelligence satellites over Iraq was transferred to Israel a few weeks ago, giving Israel direct access to information on any Iraqi missile launches at its terrority, with no delays and no filtering.

Both of these are unprecedented measures, according to a report in yesterday's Wall Street Journal. The aim is to prove to Israel that the U.S. is doing everything in its power to prevent Iraqi missiles from landing here, and therefore to convince it not to retaliate should any missiles nevertheless hit.

According to the Journal, Israel will be the only country other than the U.S. hooked directly into the U.S. Central Command's communications system. The joint command post in Tel Aviv will enable Israel Defense Forces officers to view what is termed the "common air picture" - essentially an upgraded version of a flight command and control system that enables the viewer to follow the activities of all American and Iraqi aircraft in real time. Israeli officers will thus be viewing exactly the same pictures as the U.S. officers running the war from the CENTCOM base in Qatar.

A senior U.S. official told the Journal that this decision was made because the Americans' experience in the 1991 Gulf War convinced them that the best way to restrain the Israelis was to let them see for themselves that the U.S. was doing everything possible to eliminate the Iraqi threat.

However, Israel will not be able to use this real-time information to launch its own attack on Iraq, since the Israeli air force will not be able to enter Iraqi airspace unless the U.S. supplies it with the IFF codes that distinguish friend from foe.

The other measure, the loan of the early warning system, is equally revolutionary. During the Gulf War, Israel received U.S. information about incoming Iraqi Scuds only three minutes after the missile launch - greatly shortening the available reaction time, since a Scud takes only six or seven minutes to travel from western Iraq to Tel Aviv.

The satellite data was first relayed to America's ALERT system in Colorado, then to the U.S. Army command and only then to Israel. In 1996, the Clinton administration decided to hook Israel directly into the ALERT system, but even with this improvement, there was a 90-second lag time before Israel received the information.

The loan of America's JTAGS early warning system will reduce the lag time to almost zero, giving Israel ample time to operate its Arrow and Patriot anti-missile batteries. The truck-sized system is linked directly to American intelligence satellites, thereby eliminating the time spent in transferring the data to Colorado and from there to Israel.

In addition, unlike the ALERT system, JTAGS does not filter out any of the data. Thus Israel will have full access to all the information collected by American satellites over Iraq, even if it does not relate to Iraqi missile launches.

The U.S. has also decided to set up a special sub-command, headed by a general from one of its special forces units, for the destruction of missile launchers in western and southern Iraq. The subcommand was established pursuant to America's promise to Jerusalem that destroying missile launchers in western Iraq would be given high priority in the early phases of the war. The command will seize one or two airfields in western Iraq even before America begins the ground war and will use them as bases for anti-missile operations in the area. The U.S. will employ pilotless drones to locate and destroy the missile launchers.

America's hope is that all these measures will persuade Israel to exercise restraint even if Iraq scores a successful missile strike on Israel. The U.S. has also warned Israel that should it respond to an Iraqi attack with non-conventional weapons, it would immediately forfeit all international support.

13 posted on 03/11/2003 11:08:06 AM PST by SJackson
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To: Sloth
If Saddam uses WMDs on Israel, Sharon WILL nuke Iraq.

No, they won't. There are 10 million people in Baghdad. 10 million, mostly innocent. I cannot believe the Israeli government would do such a thing. I also do not believe Israel will do anything to put American troops at risk.

14 posted on 03/11/2003 11:08:55 AM PST by anotherview
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To: Bella_Bru
Well...START believing it:

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=268764&contrassID=2&subContrassID=1&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

15 posted on 03/11/2003 11:09:31 AM PST by eaglebeak
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To: carton253; anotherview
See 13, the news is essentially from Ha’aretz. I don't buy it either.
16 posted on 03/11/2003 11:11:21 AM PST by SJackson
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To: eaglebeak
Well then, as much of a Bushbot as I am, I say this is arrogant and wrong. Would we sit back if some other coutnry told us to? Nope. And we shouldn't. And Israel shouldn't. Her first concern should be the defense of her and her people, not the approval of the U.S..
17 posted on 03/11/2003 11:12:24 AM PST by Bella_Bru (For all your tagline needs. Don't delay! Orders shipped overnight.)
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To: anotherview
I agree... the Israelis will not do that.
18 posted on 03/11/2003 11:13:11 AM PST by carton253
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To: Bella_Bru
See SJackson's post #13 before you jump to conclusions.
19 posted on 03/11/2003 11:14:09 AM PST by carton253
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To: carton253
Arutz Sheva has very good articles a lot of the time. They aren't afraid to say anything or report anything. They never care about being politically correct. That makes them valuable.

You have to understand Arutz Sheva's viewpoint, though. Politically they are about as far right as Israeli politics goes. They represent the views of the religious/ideological settlers, National Union, and those haredim who are most hawkish. (Not all haredim are hawks. Shas sat in coalition in the Rabin, Peres, and Barak governments.) They are biased from the far right, just as Ha'aretz is biased from the left. Media in Israel always has a political viewpoint. There is no claim of balance from most outlets, but rather an honest statement of where they are coming from.

So, by all means read Arutz Sheva's website or listen to their audio if you understand Hebrew. Just be sure to read other viewpoints as well.

For the record, my bias: I support Likud and Prime Minister Sharon at present, but I am not Orthodox.
20 posted on 03/11/2003 11:15:23 AM PST by anotherview
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