[Ramius]

I would agree.

I've even said it before: There may have once been a time when the Pals might have been able to make a fair case that they had a legitimate claim or grievance.

That time is now passed. It is their methods that now must fail, regardless of their case. Had they chosen the methods of Ghandi, maybe the world should listen. They have chosen instead the tactics of a barbarian. They have chosen poorly and the time must now *never* come that they are allowed any victory.

[Ramius]

I take that back... even barbarians would not have done this.