Partial Birth Abortion-live thread at senate

www.cspan.org ^ | 3/10/03 | VRWC_minion

[VRWC_minion]

I was surprised to see debate occuring on senate floor regarding partial birth abortion.

[Mo1]

Here is Boxer a few years ago



"I Am Not Answering These Questions!"-- A Senate Exchange on Birth and Partial Birth Abortion.
http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a395cf93f1d87.htm

[VRWC_minion]

Voinovich of Ohio describing process.

[kcvl]

ROFLOL! And DRUNK?

[PatrickHenry]

I don't like partial birth abortions, and I wish the states would outlaw them. But could someone please tell me what provision of the US Constitution gives Congress any authority over this issue? Maybe in the military, or on Indian reservations, but that's about all the jurisdiction they have, as I see it.

[Green]

OMG 3 days to complete?

[Teacher317]

Three times during Clinton's presidency PBA was passed by both houses, only to be vetoed at his desk. Somehow, I don't think it will be vetoed this time.

Go pop some popcorn, and get ready for the plaintive wails of the NAG crowd howling in their irrelevancy. In fact, it's about time that their precious "Constitutional Right" (which appears nowhere in the Constitution) saw some limits... preferably as many as there are to my Second Amendment rights, which are explicitly delineated, and more strongly-worded than any other expressly protected right. "Shall not infringe"!

[friendly]

And there is also George Will reporting in Newsweek, February 3, 1997. (speaking of the partial-birth procedure) "Let's assume . . . the head is accidentally delivered. Would you allow the doctor to kill the baby?

Senator Feingold: ". . . That is a question that should be answered by a doctor, and by the woman who receives the advice from the doctor." Mr. Will also noted that Senator Frank Lautenberg was asked the same question and gave basically the same answer. Will goes on, "That is clear enough: neither Feingold nor Lautenberg would say `no' to treating the killing of a newborn baby as a mere `choice.'

Jill Stanek, a nurse who practiced at Chicago's Oak Lawn Hospital, appeared on Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor and described the practice. "Many times an infant enters the world alive, only to be left to die--without any medical assistance or intervention in this abortion procedure."

[Cboldt]

There was a bit of Estrada earlier in the day. I like that the DEMs are getting pressure on a number of fronts, all at the same time. Feels more like a war this way.

I am of hte opinion that they will lose the PBA debate, the Estrada obstruction, and various and sundry other battles on the way to the demise of their party.

[GilesB]

"Is killing babies something she is proud of?"

Yes.

[Teacher317]

IIRC (and please FReepers correct me if I'm wrong), but SCOTUS used the Interstate Commerce Clause to regulate abortion from the federal bench.

[Green]

Yikes...Boxer up....mute,mute,mute

[anniegetyourgun]

Yes, it's a dangerous procedure....and always fatal to the child.

[The Mayor]

But could someone please tell me what provision of the US Constitution gives Congress any authority over this issue?

None that I can see but I do see Rights for the unborn Child

The Right to "Life" Liberty and the Persuit of Happiness

[jwalsh07]

Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments

[jwalsh07]

Boxer states, "there are no partial birth abortions".

She is a liar.

[PatrickHenry]

Yes, definitely the 5th (life liberty & property) and the 14th. It was (more or less) based on the right of privacy (a woman's privacy) which is, says the court, an aspect of her liberty. Defininitely not interestate commerce. Should be interesting, in view of that, how the present ban can be worked out. Roe v. Wade was bad law. They should have left it to the states.

[kcvl]

Arkansas Governor Signs 'Choose Life' Plates Into Law

Monday, March 10, 2003

LITTLE ROCK, Ark. — Gov. Mike Huckabee signed a bill Monday authorizing a "Choose Life" specialty license plate, adding Arkansas to a growing list of states that allow car tags with an anti-abortion slogan.

The plates will cost $35 more than standard license tags, with part of the proceeds to be distributed to nonprofit groups that counsel pregnant women and encourage adoption. No money could go to organizations that promote or provide abortions.

"We believed it was a great opportunity to assist in the adoption process and at the same time make a statement about the sanctity of life," Huckabee said.

Critics have said the plates will likely lead to court battles. The Arkansas chapter of the American Civil Liberties Union said Monday it is considering whether to challenge the law on constitutional grounds.

Rita Sklar, the director of the state ACLU chapter, has said the issue is not abortion, but the state taking sides in a political issue — and directing money to it.

"You have the government setting up a scheme whereby it is supporting a particular political point of view. That is improper under the First Amendment," she said Monday.

"Choose Life" license plates have been the subject of court fights in a handful of states in recent years, with some critics arguing that they create the impression of state endorsement of religion. In December, the U.S. Supreme Court ended an attempt to block a similar plate in Louisiana when it decided not to hear the tag opponents' appeal.

At the time, Louisiana was one of seven states authorizing such tags. The others were Alabama, Florida, Hawaii, Mississippi, Oklahoma and South Carolina.

[jwalsh07]

[The Mayor]

She is an absolute piece of Trash

[jwalsh07]

They should have left it to the states.

Depends. Strictly speaking from the Bork school of the Constitution it is a state issue since crimes such as murder are reserved to the states.

However, the 14th amendment would require the federal government to act to protect the fifth amendment right to life of the baby if the states won't act.

The States haven't acted.