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How relevant is the UN?
Radio Netherlands ^ | March 10 2003

Posted on 03/10/2003 7:28:26 AM PST by knighthawk

There's intense lobbying of UN Security Council members ahead of a vote on a new draft resolution setting a deadline for Iraqi disarmament. Secretary of State Colin Powell said at the weekend that the United States was "in striking distance" of winning passage of the resolution, but added meaningfully that he would not be surprised if France blocked it with a veto. The French government is working desperately to stop it and has sent its foreign minister on a tour of the three African members on the council to urge them to vote against.

France's fresh diplomatic initiative seems futile given that the US has made clear it's prepared to invade Iraq even without a UN mandate. Many fear this exercise is going to destroy the UN's legitimacy.

But Arend-Jan Boekestijn, professor of international relations at Utrecht University, rejects this argument. He told Newsline's Jane Murphy that the UN's prestige has already been undermined by its inability to implement previous resolutions.

"Surely there will be a problem of course, because the United Nations would be in a much stronger position if the resolution is adopted, but I think there is another problem: there have already been 17 resolutions in the last 12 years regarding Iraq, and if the UN is not able to implement them, it means the international order is already damaged by the behaviour of the United Nations itself. I agree that the UN is undermined by this whole new situation, but I don't think you could argue that this is the fault of America or Britain."

RN: "You mean resolutions insisting on Iraq's disarmament which haven't been fulfilled?"

"Exactly, and if an international organization is unable to impose its own will upon the world, then it becomes powerless."

RN: "But then again, France would argue that in fact those resolutions are now being implemented, that we are seeing progress in that the reports from the UN weapons inspectors are saying that Iraq is now disarming …"

"But the problem is weapons inspections will never work. It is perfectly possibly, even if you have Iraq full of weapons inspectors, that somebody is trying to construct new weapons. This is a very difficult problem. I don't think Iraq at the moment poses a real threat for the world. I don't think that there is a significant link between Baghdad and al-Qaeda, but I still support Mr Blair's decision for the simple reason that if we let him go now and withdraw the soldiers, or choose not to attack and continue the weapons inspections, I think the problem will remain, because the only way to disarm a nation that doesn't want to disarm, is regime change."

RN: "But if the UN Security Council doesn't vote in favour of military action and one or two countries go ahead, doesn't that go to the heart of the whole reason for having a United Nations? Why have it if individual countries are going to play world cop?"

"That's not true, because we have a resolution, 1441, which says that Saddam has to prove himself, he has to draw up a full list of all his weapons, and if he fails to do that, he'll face the severest of consequences, that's the wording of resolution 1441. Now, he simply hasn't produced any complete lists, even Dr Blix says there are problems here …"

RN: "But there is still time, there is still room to use as much diplomatic pressure as possible … "

"But history teaches us that you can only disarm governments that really have the intention to disarm."

RN: "But just looking at the position of the United Nations and its legitimacy: opinion polling around the world show that people in general are against this war, unless it has the backing of the UN, a United Nations mandate. So, people clearly feel that it's important that this goes through the United Nations."

"Yes, but then people must also acknowledge that over the last twelve years, the UN has produced 17 resolutions that haven't been implemented. That's strange, because it means the organisation is powerless. I'm not going to argue here that we should abolish the United Nations, but I only want to say that there is a limit to international justice and that's because we don't have a world government."


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: iraq; relevant; unitednations
and that's because we don't have a world government

And we don't want one either!

1 posted on 03/10/2003 7:28:26 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: Tom Jefferson; backhoe; Militiaman7; BARLF; timestax; imintrouble; cake_crumb; Brad's Gramma; ...
"That's not true, because we have a resolution, 1441, which says that Saddam has to prove himself, he has to draw up a full list of all his weapons, and if he fails to do that, he'll face the severest of consequences, that's the wording of resolution 1441. Now, he simply hasn't produced any complete lists, even Dr Blix says there are problems here …"

No more UN for US-list

If people want on or off this list, please let me know.

2 posted on 03/10/2003 7:29:10 AM PST by knighthawk
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To: knighthawk
The UN started as an alliance and world forum for the good of humanity, but it's evolved into a society for the protection of dictators and tyrants.

The UN's "relevance" is gone.

3 posted on 03/10/2003 7:38:49 AM PST by thinktwice
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To: knighthawk
>Lobbying the U. N. for the right to defend ourselves is nuts.
> The U. N. is the enemy!
4 posted on 03/10/2003 7:39:15 AM PST by BenLurkin (Socialism is slavery.)
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To: knighthawk
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497 posted on 10/16/2002 10:55 PM EDT by Mudboy Slim

5 posted on 03/10/2003 7:42:59 AM PST by Mudboy Slim (The A.N.S.W.E.R., my FRiends..."DemonRATS and RINOS LOATHE Liberty!!")
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To: knighthawk
I suspect the UN has seen the last of any money from the US.

If I had my way, there would be an EVICTION notice on the front door with a demand to vacate within 30 days.

6 posted on 03/10/2003 8:08:28 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: thinktwice
"The UN started as an alliance and world forum for the good of humanity"

That is totally false, you must have been brainwashed in a public mental institution (public school) within the last 30 years.

The UN was started for the sole purpose of extending communism world wide and the eventual formation of a one world socialist government.
7 posted on 03/10/2003 8:32:28 AM PST by dalereed
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To: knighthawk
"Surely there will be a problem of course, because the United Nations would be in a much stronger position if the resolution is adopted...."

The professor sure got that right. And when the UN does adopt this resoulution, the relevancy-o-meter will shoot right up, unfortunately. The problem is, too many Freepers (and presumably therefore, too many conservatives) are becoming too complacent that this whole episode is will prove to be the UN's death throes, when in all likelihood it'll prove to be just the opposite. Now is not the time to slacken in the fight against them. They have but one goal: usurpation in any way they can. They are by no means defeated as of yet.

8 posted on 03/10/2003 9:02:53 AM PST by inquest
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To: dalereed
you must have been brainwashed in a public mental institution (public school) within the last 30 years.

I was in high school when the UN was formed, and I was involved in the UN Fiasco known as the Korean War -- when the Chinese communists, with Russian backing, intervened to keep North Korea communist.

The UN has leaned toward one-world government -- and communism -- from the beginning, but its founding principle was idealistic.

"The road to hell is paved with good intentions." -- Karl Marx, Capital, Modern library ed. (adbridged). pg 42

I'm thankful that our President is proving the UN irrelevant. GW is proving himself to be a man with sense.

9 posted on 03/10/2003 9:08:18 AM PST by thinktwice
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To: thinktwice
I'm thankful that our President is proving the UN irrelevant.

You might want to take the advice from your handle. When the Security Council approves military action against Iraq (and it will), our President will make it clear just how relevant he considers the UN to be.

10 posted on 03/10/2003 10:01:05 AM PST by inquest
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To: knighthawk
Is the UN relevant?

No. Kick 'em out.

11 posted on 03/10/2003 11:01:02 AM PST by MEGoody
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To: knighthawk
How relevant is the UN?

The what?

12 posted on 03/10/2003 11:21:28 AM PST by TankerKC (What's with the sudden influx of racist punks on FR?)
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