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Europe and U.S. face growing split far beyond Iraq
AP WORLD ^ | 9 March, 2003

Posted on 03/09/2003 4:37:04 PM PST by Happy2BMe

Europe and U.S. face growing split far beyond Iraq

By BARRY RENFREW, Associated Press Writer

LONDON - Despite efforts on both sides of the Atlantic to limit the damage, the bitter dispute over Iraq (news - web sites) has split Europe between countries that support America and those who see it as a global menace.

The division shows Europe's inability to create a united, credible voice in world affairs and threatens the unity of the West and decades of close trans-Atlantic relations, politicians and experts say.

"If the Americans and the Europeans don't exercise great care in the next few weeks and months we're going to be left with an absolute shambles," said Francois Heilsbourg, an independent defense analyst based in London.

European governments also are worried about the damage the rift is causing to the institutions that have been the foundation of Western unity for decades — NATO (news - web sites), the European alliance with the United States, the United Nations (news - web sites) and the European Union (news - web sites). So far, analysts say, nobody is saying how it can be fixed.

Britain, Spain and Italy support the United States, which has said Iraq's time to give up its weapons of mass destruction is running out and is mobilizing for military action. The administration of U.S. President George W. Bush (news - web sites) has proposed a March 17 deadline for Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) to disarm but said it could go to war without U.N. approval.

France, Russia and China — which along with Britain and the United States have veto power as permanent U.N. Security Council members — are leading opposition to the war.

"This is a very important episode ... The unhappiness on the European side with the unilateralist, militarist, pre-emptive inclinations of this (U.S.) administration is pretty deep," said analyst Michael Emerson of the Center for European Studies, a think tank in Brussels, Belgium.

The unease is reflected among many ordinary Europeans, millions of whom have rallied to protest U.S. policy on Iraq. A European Union poll in March reported a majority of Europeans see America as a threat to peace — 46 percent to 32 percent in a survey of 16,074 people across the 15-nation bloc. The survey had a margin of error of plus or minus 3.1 percentage points.

If the United States chooses increasingly to go its own way internationally rather than seek Western consensus, trans-Atlantic cooperation, vital to political and economic stability, could be badly damaged, analysts say.

NATO, torn by wrangling over its possible role in a war with Iraq, might never fully recover, analysts say. To have real credibility, members and opponents of a defense alliance must believe it will act if faced with a threat — something that is now in doubt, they say.

Many fear the United Nations also is looking weak with the United States, Britain and other allies determined to act without its approval if necessary.

Disagreement on how to disarm Iraq has torn the EU down the middle, exposing deep divisions over whether it should be primarily a trade bloc or a global power with effective political and military muscle.

"The time has come where we need a confrontation on what are our strategic needs" in Europe, said Ulrike Guerot, an analyst at the German Council on Foreign Relations in Berlin.

France, which has never accepted its loss of global power, has long wanted a united Europe that could present an equal front and be a counterweight to what it sees as an overly powerful United States.

Britain and others oppose what they see as a drive for a federal state in which national governments would answer to the EU as a whole, giving up control of their foreign and security policies.

Looking ahead, analysts say Washington's relations with those nations that have defied it over Iraq will be badly strained, possibly for years to come. Talk of massive U.S retaliation is played down, but trade and other areas, already under strain, could be badly hurt.

"The problem is spilling over into the economic field and the United States has adopted a negative attitude toward what it considers to be old Europe and vice versa," said Professor Pedro Videla of the University of Navarra in Spain.

The United States and the EU need each other and new ways to handle relations will have to be worked out, analysts say. But they add it may take years and the departure from office of some of the leaders who figure in the current dispute.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: europe; nato; split; us; warlist
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I could have said all that in five words:


1 posted on 03/09/2003 4:37:05 PM PST by Happy2BMe
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To: Happy2BMe
To hell with Europe.
2 posted on 03/09/2003 4:49:22 PM PST by Zorrito
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To: Happy2BMe
France, which has never accepted its loss of global power,

...Since the time of Napolean, who, like the current French administration, was known for his obsession of compensating for his tiny, underdeveloped genitals.

3 posted on 03/09/2003 4:57:52 PM PST by Gorzaloon (Contents may have settled during shipping, but this tagline contains the stated product weight.)
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To: Zorrito

4 posted on 03/09/2003 5:00:57 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: Happy2BMe
As you say.

Despite the media spin, at least 98% of this foodfight is the fault of Chirac, Schroeder, and whoever the nitwits are who run Belgium (evidently a bunch of child-rapists, if you can believe the news reports).

Bush has been unfailingly polite for two years, while every European lightweight politician and self-annointed intellectual has been bashing him and America non-stop.

Well, they went over the line. The problem is theirs to solve, not ours.
5 posted on 03/09/2003 5:01:42 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Zorrito
Europe is being Islamiced much faster than is the USA.
6 posted on 03/09/2003 5:02:05 PM PST by Grand Old Partisan
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To: Gorzaloon
Viva La France - French Military History in a Nutshell (Including *WAR ON TERRORISM*)
7 posted on 03/09/2003 5:02:15 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: Happy2BMe
The Americans put up much less of a fight defending Washington, DC against the British in 1814 than did the French defending Paris against the Nazis in 1940. In fact, the British strolled in nearly unopposed with a mere 5,000 men.
8 posted on 03/09/2003 5:04:44 PM PST by Grand Old Partisan
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To: Cicero


9 posted on 03/09/2003 5:05:14 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Europe Franco-German hegemon and U.S. face growing split far beyond Iraq
10 posted on 03/09/2003 5:22:42 PM PST by Stultis
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To: Happy2BMe
"If the Americans and the Europeans don't exercise great care in the next few weeks and months we're going to be left with an absolute shambles," said Francois Heilsbourg . . .

If Francois says so then maybe we should be careful.

11 posted on 03/09/2003 5:23:05 PM PST by 7 x 77
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To: Happy2BMe
Uh oh, a think tank in Brussels, Belgium also thinks we're wrong. We had better rethink this manly foreign policy of ours.
12 posted on 03/09/2003 5:26:40 PM PST by 7 x 77
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To: Happy2BMe
The United States and the EU need each other

Strike that. Insert:

"The pathetic EU has been dependent on the US for a hundred years, and when it annoys the great lion its flung from his arse with swish of his tail.

13 posted on 03/09/2003 5:35:47 PM PST by 7 x 77
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To: Happy2BMe; *war_list; W.O.T.; 11th_VA; Libertarianize the GOP; Free the USA; knak; MadIvan; ...
OFFICIAL BUMP(TOPIC)LIST
14 posted on 03/09/2003 5:42:09 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach (The voices of the 30s are echoing through 2003 - Alistair Cooke)
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7 x 77 >> "The pathetic EU has been dependent on the US for a hundred years, and when it annoys the great lion its flung from his arse with swish of his tail."

Man! - What a GREAT tagline for yaz (if you could condense it).

What a quote - BRAVO!

15 posted on 03/09/2003 5:45:14 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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'"This is a very important episode ... The unhappiness on the European side with the unilateralist, militarist, pre-emptive inclinations of this (U.S.) administration is pretty deep," said analyst Michael Emerson of the Center for European Studies, a think tank in Brussels, Belgium.'

And I am deeply unhappy with the assholian inclination of Mr. Emerson.

16 posted on 03/09/2003 5:51:17 PM PST by Chi-townChief (Brussels sounds like it should be a vegetable.)
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To: Happy2BMe
Thanks, who's "yaz".
17 posted on 03/09/2003 5:55:36 PM PST by 7 x 77
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To: Happy2BMe
There needs to be a reshuffling of the nations in each of the Organizations which the United States is a part of....
Removing France (losers) and Germany (Schizoid) from NATO, removing the U.S. from the UN (Ungrateful Nations), and the removal of all our troops from Europe and let them fend for themselves. Then watch them come crawling back to us for help when Sadman Inssein sneezes in their direction!...to which we can respond, "Sorry, but do I know you?"
18 posted on 03/09/2003 6:34:38 PM PST by webber (Europes true nature is now exposed. It is called "The Judas Iscariot Syndrome"!)
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To: Chi-townChief
Our only chance to pull the U.N. cancer out of our country is to get Dubya back in the White House in 2004.
19 posted on 03/09/2003 6:35:47 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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To: webber
"Then watch them come crawling back to us for help when Sadman Inssein sneezes in their direction!.."

Hehe... the only reason the French-Sino seizure is going on before the eyes of the world is they are panicking at what the world reaction will be when we uncover all the WMD they have supplied Saddamn with over the past 12 years.

That is all.

20 posted on 03/09/2003 6:38:37 PM PST by Happy2BMe (HOLLYWOOD:Ask not what U can do for your country, ask what U can do for Iraq!)
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