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To: u-89
Concerning your remarks on the Libertarian position on national defense, all you need to do with the FR libertarians is ask them at what point intervention is necessary to provide for the common defense. If you make them stick to the point, you will find out why they will never gain more than 1% of the vote.

Apart from that, the Ls have many good points that I wish the GOP could ascribe to especially in the area of limited government. I'm a W supporter and a supporter of the WOT but I have to admit fearing the extent of the power now vested in the executive branch.

35 posted on 03/09/2003 2:38:58 PM PST by johniegrad
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To: johniegrad
all you need to do with the FR libertarians is ask them at what point intervention is necessary to provide for the common defense

While I cannot speak for Lew Rockwell or even FR Libertarians, I am always mystified by the non-arguments that pass for debate in many threads.

It seems to me in the post 911 world there were Libertarians who argued for the use of Letters of Marquee and Reprisal as provided in the Constitution.

I offered the observation in another thread this whole "debate" about UN resolutions is meaningless since Hussein and the Iraqi Army signed a "Capitulation", a contract if you will, between two Armies and that the Iraqi side has violated the terms and thus is subject to punishment with no further discussion or debate necessary.

I have also observed in various places and various times that simple economics can be used to good effect in place of brute military force. For example, word on the street is the going rate for Osama Bin Laden's escape from Tora Bora was $15 Million Dollars. With the aid of the Northern Alliance we could have simply outbid him and taken him into custody for say, $20 Million Dollars. Do the arithmetic to calculate the equivalent in cruise missiles and deployment costs.

Having said all the above,I still agree with the premise advanced by Libertarians that one fundamental reason we get our tail in the wringer so often is that this society has ignored Washington's admonition to "avoid entangling foreign alliances" and Eisenhower's admonition to "beware the Military Industrial Complex"

I will cheerfully debate these points in a CIVILIZED,POLITE and EXPOSITORY manner with anyone who cares to do so.

For everyone else I will don my asbestos underwear and build an addition to the official Copernican "Time-Out" booth for wayward Freepers.

And of course, I can only respond as time permits. Unlike many of you I can only check in here periodically over the course of a day for brief periods.

Best regards,

41 posted on 03/09/2003 3:10:40 PM PST by Copernicus (A Constitutional Republic revolves around Sovereign Citizens, not citizens around government.)
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To: johniegrad
Concerning your remarks on the Libertarian position on national defense, all you need to do with the FR libertarians is ask them at what point intervention is necessary to provide for the common defense

More nonsense. Most of us here are more Hawkish than libertarians in the general populace.

56 posted on 03/09/2003 8:33:32 PM PST by DAnconia55
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