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To: u-89
If the legislature of your state voted to secede, would you shoot U.S. soldiers who tried to prevent it?

That aside, the Conderacy was actually run very socialistically, like the EU is today -- hardly the free market, limited government wonderland portrayed by Democrat history professors.

11 posted on 03/09/2003 8:28:22 AM PST by Grand Old Partisan
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Not wanting to turn this into a Civil War agruement thread as there are enough of those already on FR but I do not think it very controversial to say that in those days people thought of themselves as a citizen of their State, not The United States, like Lee turned down a Federal commission to defend his homeland of Virginia.

Today of course there is no such thing as a soveriegn state and most people no longer have the attachemnt to their State as folks did in days of old but that does not mean that these things were not legitimate in the begining or that today that understanding of how things once were or the desire to return to that understanding is beyond the pale.

Since perfection in human endeavors has not existed since Eden there is no perfect society to point to and fully embrace. That does not mean that high ideals of certain societies should not be championed and emulated. The bad points need not be returned to - it is not take it all or nothing. Such an arguement is leftist - they try to discredit limited government and the free market because some of the founders owned slaves. They also discredit the idea of state's sovereignty because of old time racial injustice. It seems odd to me that conservatives say they want to conserve all that was good of the old republic on one hand and on the other adopt leftist tactics to discredit their own dear traditions.

22 posted on 03/09/2003 9:15:52 AM PST by u-89
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To: Grand Old Partisan
If the legislature of your state voted to secede, would you shoot U.S. soldiers who tried to prevent it?

Wow.  I've never seen that question before.  What does a 'yes' answer say about me?
29 posted on 03/09/2003 1:44:13 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
P.S. I'm a Texan. Does that change anything?
30 posted on 03/09/2003 1:50:24 PM PST by gcruse (When choosing between two evils, pick the one you haven't tried yet.)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
If the legislature of your state voted to secede, would you shoot U.S. soldiers who tried to prevent it?

Yes. If necessary.

51 posted on 03/09/2003 8:20:35 PM PST by DAnconia55
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