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To: William Terrell
This keeps coming up. Jesus as Christ came here to be crucified. That was the purpose. In the face of that purpose, whatever human agency brought it about is moot. God preordained and was "responsible" for the entire sequence of events. End of issue.

Exactly

114 posted on 03/08/2003 9:44:17 AM PST by RnMomof7
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To: RnMomof7
I have my doubts about the explicit phrasing of the statement and I suspect an adversary could turn such a statement against Scripture deceptively.

Don't get me wrong, I agree that in God's plan, He has provided a way for us to have a relationship with Him and today we understand that to have been paved by the cross and His Ressurrection.

But let's also consider how Jesus Christ, the Son doesn't know the time or hour of the second coming, only the Father knows.

Likewise, my impression is that when the Son came the first time, he indeed came to receive His people, but they were not willing (Matt 23, Luke 13).

Likewise, which is more valuable, the gold or the altar upon which it is offered? The covenant made available to man by His unlimited sacrificial atonement for sin allows us as wretched sinners, to repent and then have relationship with Him, through the Sacrifice of Christ. The sanctity of the God provides value to the death of Christ and then His Ressurection. The focus of Jesus Christ then was upon obedience to the Father, rather than placing Himself at the head of the table as a sacrifice to others.

Jesus Christ doesn't even refer to Himself as God, but as the Son of Man,..not to refute His position, but to render glory to the Father and not to exalt Himself. Likewise, had his focus merely been to become the sacrifice, His focus would have been upon His position rather than upon those whom He came as Messiah, but He could not interdict upon their volition and remain humble. In this fashion, it was the Jews who rejected their own.

Again, I note, I'm not judging the Jews for their behavior, but I do understand historically that these things occurred with full volition available to the Jews of that time. It also fulfiled Prophecy and laid the groundwork for future Prophetic events.

Our focus obviously isn't upon the Jews for their actions, but rather upon the sacrifice and grace of God.

Isn't it interesting how some who seek to be called Rabbi, are more concerned with not being perceived as being responsible for the death of Christ, than they are in recognizing the covenants made available in the New Covenant?


153 posted on 03/09/2003 2:07:27 AM PST by Cvengr
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