I've found debating libertarians on real world issues is pointless. They live in a very simple world where everything will come roses if you just follow their philosophy. They may be good logicians but their fatal flaw is that they make up their premises in order to fit the conclusions. Ultimately they put their faith in ideas and none at all in individual people, which leads to unworkable solutions.
I couldn't agree with you more; with one caviat ... they don't trust anyone,except those who agree with their 1/2 baked UTOPIAN ideas.
I just like to yank their collective chains, every now and again. LOL