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Mall Wants to Drop Charges Against 'Peace' T-Shirt Wearer
foxnews ^ | 3-6-3

Posted on 03/06/2003 7:19:50 AM PST by Indy Pendance

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:35:42 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

GUILDERLAND, N.Y.

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; US: New York
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1 posted on 03/06/2003 7:19:50 AM PST by Indy Pendance
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To: Indy Pendance
"I think he'd like an apology."

And a big fat check.

2 posted on 03/06/2003 7:21:16 AM PST by dead
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To: Indy Pendance
I caught their act on the news last night. Typical halfwitted "wished they experienced the 60's so this is their chance to act up" pacifists.
3 posted on 03/06/2003 7:21:42 AM PST by kinghorse
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To: dead
Check http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/crossgates2.html
for the real story.
4 posted on 03/06/2003 7:26:57 AM PST by dsmatuska
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To: kinghorse
I've been hearing that they were accosting shoppers and proceletyzing them on anti war issues. It hasn't shown up in any posts; wondering if it's true.
5 posted on 03/06/2003 7:27:19 AM PST by EggsAckley (nuke the vegan tree-hugging gay whale terrorist ACTORS for jesus)
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To: dsmatuska
Thanks. You just answered my question.
6 posted on 03/06/2003 7:32:39 AM PST by EggsAckley (nuke the vegan tree-hugging gay whale terrorist ACTORS for jesus)
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To: dsmatuska

7 posted on 03/06/2003 7:34:51 AM PST by martin_fierro (SOUTH American Idol)
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To: Indy Pendance
I think we should be concerned about incidents like this. For better or for worse, the private shopping mall has replaced our "public square." These men were wearing shirts with a political message and apparently they were thrown out of the "public square" because the private owners didn't like the message.

What if the T-shirts read "Jesus loves you"?

or "support our troops"

or "abortion stops a beating heart"

Unless the message is profane, obscene, or libelous to individuals or groups, then we should protect the expression even though it's a private shopping mall. This is because the private shopping mall *is* our public square.

The mall put main street out of business, and therefore has a responsiblity to permit the political discourse that once occurred on main street in the public square.

A better solution is for communities to simply zone out covered shopping malls as health hazards or something like that.


8 posted on 03/06/2003 7:39:47 AM PST by grasshopper2
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To: dead
And a big fat check.


HE WANTS TO OWN THE MALL
9 posted on 03/06/2003 7:43:17 AM PST by TLBSHOW (God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
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To: dsmatuska
Kind of sucks that one lil' ol' webiste can do somehting that NO OTHER NEWSPAPER JOURNALIST I've read can manage to accomplish. IE: Give the whole freakin' story. Makes me wonder just what they're teaching in journalism school these days.
10 posted on 03/06/2003 7:49:02 AM PST by Wolfie
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To: TLBSHOW
>>HE WANTS TO OWN THE MALL

And he should too...welcome to Amerika.
11 posted on 03/06/2003 8:12:42 AM PST by freeper12
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To: grasshopper2
Read the report in post 7 to see what actually happened. These guys didn't get thrown out for their t-shirts though that's the way the media portrays it.
12 posted on 03/06/2003 8:24:36 AM PST by fellowpatriot
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To: fellowpatriot
Read the report in post 7 to see what actually happened

According to the security guard's report, a "customer reported that these two gentlemen were having a VERBAL [emphasis mine] dispute with another group."

Okay, so the two men, a father and son, aged 50 and 30 were discussing public policy in the mall. Did the woman report a disturbance? Where the men drunken? Were they pushing and shoving? Shouting? Engaged in public lewdness? Were they using profane language? No - the woman reported that she was "afraid" about what it could "lead" to. DO you see the danger of this?

What if some people wearing an "abortion stops a beating heart" started discussing abortion with some pro-choice people in the mall? Should the mere discussion of abortion be banned?

Should the mere discussion of any political issue be banned?

Should Free Republic be banned?

How can anybody seriously agree that the mall owner was justified in expelling people simply for expressing a political opinion?

What would Patrick Henry say?

14 posted on 03/06/2003 8:48:16 AM PST by grasshopper2
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To: grasshopper2
The story does seem to be a little fuzzy and even the affidavit is questionable.
15 posted on 03/06/2003 10:07:01 AM PST by Station 51
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To: Indy Pendance; grasshopper2
Now, it appears that the mall owner and "authorities" have decided to bend over to monetary interests and avoid continuing the bad publicity that their actions have generated so far.

So, the score is now, Constitution: 1, PC Fascism: 0

:-)
16 posted on 03/06/2003 10:12:43 AM PST by Hail Caesar
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To: fellowpatriot
The document makes no reference to who may have started the 'verbal dispute.' It very well could have been that a mall customer started the argument by saying something to the effect "If you like Saddam so much, why don't you move to Iraq!" But since the cop & mall security guard did not provide details of who started the argument we will never know.
17 posted on 03/06/2003 10:13:09 AM PST by Station 51
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To: fellowpatriot
If they were thrown out for assault (which does not require physical contact), why bother saying anything about their shirts? I don't care what you are wearing, but I do care if you are assaulting me. I want the right to be able to make you (figurative "you") stop talking to me.
18 posted on 03/06/2003 10:14:38 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: *TRT
bang
19 posted on 03/06/2003 10:31:09 AM PST by Hail Caesar
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To: kinghorse
"I caught their act on the news last night. Typical halfwitted "wished they experienced the 60's so this is their chance to act up" pacifists."

True Pacifists carry Rifles, drive tanks, drive ships, drive combat planes.

They are called Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and Marines.

Nobody wants peace more than those sent to fight the wars.

Semper Fi
20 posted on 03/06/2003 10:45:30 AM PST by Leatherneck_MT (Can't stand rude behavior in a man.... Won't tolerate it.)
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