Well, well, well. Its all starting to play out just like many freepers guessed. Sparklers or not, there would have been no fire if this highly flammable material hadn't been a)installed instead of actual soundproofing material and b) was properly inspected by the fire inspector.
1 posted on
03/04/2003 6:19:38 AM PST by
FreeTally
To: Japedo
Might be of some interest to you.....
2 posted on
03/04/2003 6:20:31 AM PST by
FreeTally
To: FreeTally
add the city there as having to pay out money too!
3 posted on
03/04/2003 6:24:27 AM PST by
TLBSHOW
(God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
To: FreeTally
"They either didn't see it or it wasn't there. Those are the two possibilities,"Third possibility... Inspector was presented with complementary etchings of the Club Owner's grandfather, who looks remarkably like Ben Franklin.
To: FreeTally
It sounds like both the band and club owners did stupid things and the fire inspectors dropped the ball. As I said before, this sounds simply like a lot of smaller mistakes adding up to one whopper of a disaster. And, thus, there is going to be a strong desire to pick one of the many mistakes as "the" cause of the disaster.
To: Dane
PROVIDENCE, R.I. - As families of the dead and injured struggle with their grief after one of the country's deadliest fires, some are starting to look for compensation. Lawyers say it won't come easily.
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Slideshow: Rhode Island Nightclub Fire
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R.I. Nightclub Fire Claims May Total $1B
Rhode Island lawyers estimate at least $1 billion worth of lawsuit claims will be filed in the coming months. But they're not as confident that the pockets of those who may be responsible are deep enough to pay.
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030303/ap_on_re_us/nightclub_fire_lawsuits_5
6 posted on
03/04/2003 6:28:26 AM PST by
TLBSHOW
(God Speed as Angels trending upward dare to fly Tribute to the Risk Takers)
To: FreeTally
It was "apparently" not fixed, but someone signed off on it being fixed Well it looks as if the "fire inspecters" were not doing their jobs properly. I am not surprised by this at all.
Its much easier to do the bare minimum then do your true job description. I bet this job was one of the most cushy also.
8 posted on
03/04/2003 6:35:18 AM PST by
alisasny
To: FreeTally
This story puts me in mind of a ( Sponge Bob square Pants)show. In the scene they are waiting for a health inspector to check out their restaurant and the owner of the Restaurant in sitting in a barrel of cash waiting for the inspector.
Kinda makes you wonder??
9 posted on
03/04/2003 6:55:44 AM PST by
chatham
To: FreeTally
Well, well, well. Its all starting to play out just like many freepers guessed. Sparklers or not, there would have been no fire if this highly flammable material hadn't been a)installed instead of actual soundproofing material and b) was properly inspected by the fire inspector. And an unlicensed permitless employee of Great White, tour manager Dan Biechiele setting up and igniting the pyrotechnics.
11 posted on
03/04/2003 7:04:02 AM PST by
Dane
To: FreeTally
These weren't sparklers, they were gerbs. Here is a set of safety instructions from a gerb manufacturer.
SAFETY A 10 x 12 Gerb, for example, burns 10 seconds with a vertical spark height of just under 12 feet (3.65 meters). Be certain there is enough clearance for the rated height of the Gerb you have chosen, as indicated by the second number in the rating. As always, when using any pyrotechnic effect outdoors, be sure to calculate the possible effects of wind on your safety clearances. The devices can also be fired at an angle, in a "V" configuration, but the height, distance and amount of fallout may be different from when they are fired vertically. A Gerb fired at an angle can throw sparks laterally a considerable distance, and remember, once a Gerb is fired it cannot be extinguished until it burns out. Always test fire your system before the performance to make sure that the effect is safe and is what you want visually. All PYROPAK® Gerbs are designed for use with PYROPAK® equipment only. For example, they may be used in a Gerb Fan Holder or a Fast Sparkle Pot. Before using your Gerb, be sure to read the instruction manual that accompanied your system and, most importantly, the safety precautions. If you do not have a PYROPAK® manual for your system, please contact LUNA TECH, INC. and well gladly send you one. We also recommend that you read NFPA 1126 Code for the Use of Pyrotechnics Before a Proximate Audience. You can get a copy of this very informative and useful document by contacting the NFPA Publications Office at +1-800-344-3555, or by mail at: NFPA, PO Box 9101, Quincy, MA 02269-9101, USA.
LINK
I am not absolving the club of negligence, like you are trying to absolve the band of negligence.
12 posted on
03/04/2003 7:14:23 AM PST by
Dane
To: FreeTally
The door problem was noted in a 2001 fire inspector's report. It was apparently fixed but noted again in a report a year later. This is very curious, I wonder if it's a pattern. I wonder who signed off on the supposed door being fixed, and was it fixed at the time of the fire? Did that hinder escapes, I realize it say's it didn't but how do we know this isn't CYA?
13 posted on
03/04/2003 7:18:52 AM PST by
Japedo
(Live Free or Die Trying)
To: FreeTally
Another pocket found.
14 posted on
03/04/2003 7:50:08 AM PST by
CindyDawg
(.)
To: FreeTally
The "deep pocket" has been found.
15 posted on
03/04/2003 7:53:20 AM PST by
dfwgator
To: FreeTally
Just a sidebar, "botched" is the new favorite word in the media. There was the "botched" operation on that illegal alien girl, now a "botched" inspection, you will hear this word used over and over again by the media. I can remember the use of the words "tarmac," "gravitas," and the phrase "a wiff of" over and over and now "botched" is the media's favorite word of choice.
16 posted on
03/04/2003 8:07:07 AM PST by
Contra
To: FreeTally
Don Bliss, the New Hampshire fire marshal and president of the National Association of State Fire Marshals, said examining wall coverings and determining their flammability is a vital part of any fire inspection. Sometimes, assessing the material requires holding a small sample to an open flame, he said.
"It's an important part of any inspection. It's also one of the most difficult," Bliss said.
Somebody is going to prison - plus, if there were bribes involved, the Feds can get involved.
17 posted on
03/04/2003 8:12:45 AM PST by
Chancellor Palpatine
(those who unilaterally beat their swords into plowshares wind up plowing for those who don't)
To: FreeTally
Desert Moon
(Lardie, Niven, Kendall, Russell)
Let's shake this town baby
Come with me
I need a little lovin' company
C'mon now
I know where we can go
This is the time
T'stay out all night
I've gotta fire
Like a heavenly light
C'mon baby
Let's take a drive
C'mon baby
Let's do it right
Time to dance
In the magic light
Of the desert moon
Come on honey
Let's get it right
Make romance
In the magic light
Of the desert moon
Let's lay it down
Under a cactus tree
Give a little lovin' ecstacy
C'mon now
It's time to go
Little baby
You're a beautiful sight
I've got the love
And we have the night
C'mon baby
It's time to fly
CONFIRMED DEAD in hospital (2)
Linda Suffoletto, Glocester, R.I, at Massachusetts General Hospital
Kelly Viera, West Warwick, R.I, at Boston Shriners Hospital
CONFIRMED DEAD at the scene (96)
Louis S. Alves, 33, of Lincoln.
Kevin Anderson, 37, of Warwick.
Stacie Angers, 29, of Worcester, Mass.
Christopher Arruda, 30, of Coventry.
Eugene Avilez, 21, of Burlington, Mass.
Tina Ayer, 33, of Warwick.
Karla Bagtaz, 41, of Randolph, Mass.
Mary H. Baker, 32, of Fall River, Mass.
Thomas Barnett, 38, of West Greenwich.
Laureen Beauchaine, 35, of West Warwick.
Steven Thomas Blom, 38, of Cranston.
William Christopher Bonardi, 36, of Smithfield.
Kristine Carbone, 38, of Taunton, Mass.
Richard A. Cabral Jr., 37, of Attleboro, Mass.
William Cartwright, 42, of Pawtucket.
Edward B. Corbett III, 31, of West Warwick.
Michael Cordier, 31, of Westerly.
Alfred Crisostomi, 38, of Warwick.
Robert Croteau, 31, of Fall River, Mass.
Lisa D'Andrea, 42, of Barrington.
Matthew P. Darby, 36, of Coventry.
Dina Ann DeMaio, 30, of West Warwick.
Albert Anthony DiBonaventura, 18, of North Dighton, Mass.
Christina DiRienzo, 37, Plymouth, Mass.
Kevin J. Dunn, 37, of Attleboro, Mass.
Lori K. Durante, 40, of West Warwick.
Edward Ervanian, 29, of Cranston.
Thomas Fleming, 30, of Worcester, Mass.
Rachael K. Florio-DePietro , 31, of Coventry.
Mark A. Fontaine, 22, of Johnston.
Daniel Frederickson, 37, of Coventry.
Michael Fresolo, 32, of Worcester, Mass.
James Gahan, 21, of Falmouth, Mass.
Melvin Gerfin, 46, of Groton, Conn.
Laura Gillett, 32, of Pembroke, Mass.
Charline Elaine Gingras-Fick, 35, of Central Falls.
Michael James Gonsalves, 40, of Warwick.
James Gooden, 37, of Cranston.
Derek Gray, 22, of Dracut, Mass.
Skott Greene, 35, of Warwick.
Scott Griffith, 41, of West Warwick.
Bonnie L. Hamelin, 27, of Warwick.
Jude Henault, 37, of Lisbon, Conn.
Andrew Hoban, 22, of North Kingstown.
Abbie L. Hoisington, 28, of Cranston.
Michael Hoogasian, 31, of Cranston.
Sandy Hoogasian, 27, of Cranston.
Carlton "Bud" Howorth III, 39, of Norton, Mass.
Eric James Hyer, 22, of Scituate.
Derek Brian Johnson, 32, of West Warwick.
Lisa Kelly, 27, of Swansea, Mass.
Tracy F. King, 39, of Warwick.
Michael Joseph Kulz, 30, of Warwick.
Keith Lapierre, 29, of Worcester, Mass.
Dale Latulippe, 46, of Carver, Mass.
Stephen M. Libera, 21, of North Kingstown.
John M. Longiaru, 23, of Johnston.
Ty Longley, 31, of Northridge, Calif.
Andrea Mancini, 28, of Johnston.
Keith A. Mancini, 34, of Cranston.
Steven Mancini, 39, of Johnston.
Judith Manzo, 37, of North Providence.
Thomas Frank Marion Jr., 27, of Westport, Mass.
Jeffrey Martin, 33, of Melrose, Mass.
Tammy Mattera-Housa, 29, of Warwick.
Kristen McQuarrie, 37, of Ledyard, Conn.
Thomas Medeiros, 40, of Coventry.
Samuel Miceli, 37, of Lisbon, Conn.
Donna M. Mitchell, 29, of Fall River, Mass.
Leigh Ann Moreau, 21, of Providence.
Ryan M. Morin, 31, of Boston, Mass.
Jason Morton, 38, of West Greenwich.
Beth Mosczynski, 33, of Millbury, Mass.
Katherine O'Donnell, 26, of Seekonk, Mass.
Nicholas Philip O'Neill, 18, of Pawtucket.
Matthew James Pickett, 33, of Bellingham, Mass.
Carlos L. Pimentel Sr., 38, of West Warwick.
Christopher Prouty, 24, of Pawtucket.
Theresa Rakoski, 30, of Taunton, Mass.
Jeffrey Rader, 32, of Danville, Calif.
Robert L. Reisner III, 29, of Coventry.
Walter Rich, 40, of Attleboro, Mass.
Donald Roderiques, 46, of Mashpee, Mass.
Tracey Romanoff, 32, of Coventry.
Joseph Rossi, 35, of Pawtucket.
Bridget Sanetti, 25, of Coventry.
Rebecca Shaw, 24, of Warwick.
Dennis Smith, 36, of Pawtucket.
Victor Stark, 39, of West Yarmouth, Mass.
Benjamin Suffoletto, 43, of Glocester.
Shawn Sweet, 28, of Pembroke, Mass.
Jason Sylvester, 24, of Coventry.
Sarah Jane Telgarsky, 37, of Plainfield, Conn.
Kevin Washburn, 30, of Franklin, Mass.
Everett "Tommy" Woodmansee, 30, of Charlestown.
Robert Daniel Young, 29, of Taunton, Mass.
1. Exit Sign not properly lit.
2. Cheap Highly flamable packing material used in place of flame retardent
Sound Proofing.
3. Security telling customers they could not use a specific side exit to
leave because it was only for the band.
4. Regular over crowding of club.
5. Photos just released show the sound man next to a box of explosives after
he told people he wasn't aware that any pyrotechnics were being used.
6. Reports that Pyrotechnics were used many other times at the club. Photos
confirm this.
More addresses to know
Posted Sunday, March 2, 2003
Any memories (video, photos, etc) you'd like to share with Baby Longley can be sent to:
Baby Longley
P.O. Box 1247
Plainfield, IL 60544-1247
RI Relief Funds:
Station Fire Victims Fund
c/o Citizens Bank
56 Rolfe St.
Cranston, RI 02910
The Station Fire Victim Fund
Centreville Savings Bank
1218 Main St.
West Warwick, RI 02893
Office of Community Services
184 Broad St.
Providence, RI 02903
(Indicate West Warwick Fire Emergency Fund in check memo)
Catholic Charity Fund
80 St. Mary Drive
Cranston, RI 02920
(Indicate West Warwick Fire Emergency Fund in check memo)
18 posted on
03/04/2003 8:15:18 AM PST by
goron
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